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[2LaneCruzer]

I have zero problem with that and agree completely. That’s not how most drug testing works however. My problem is the idea that an employer can essentially search your private life even when they don’t have any reason to believe you might be a drug user. That’s really no different than them saying they have the right to randomly come search your home for illegal guns because if you do, you may decide to bring one to work someday and that would create an unsafe work environment. Safety first after all.

When you accept a job, in return for a paycheck, you accept the conditions placed on it by the employer. You have dress codes, codes of conduct, you have to show up at a certain time (most jobs), you have to perform and otherwise conduct yourself decently. If they say you can't use drugs, and that you have to submit to testing, then so be it.

If you don't want to conform, get another job.

 

[Citydude]

The problem is that a positive test does not always mean the person was impaired at the time of the test.


Also, a poppy seed bagel or muffin can cause a positive test.

So if a person tests positive, what is your idea of measuring impairment?

How do you explain to someones grieving family that "he tested positive for drugs" "but we felt he could do his job however he kind of killed your husband by running over him with a D10 dozer".

 

[Citydude]

I have zero problem with that and agree completely. That’s not how most drug testing works however. My problem is the idea that an employer can essentially search your private life even when they don’t have any reason to believe you might be a drug user. That’s really no different than them saying they have the right to randomly come search your home for illegal guns because if you do, you may decide to bring one to work someday and that would create an unsafe work environment. Safety first after all.

I don't see the correlation of drug testing and searching ones private life.

People bring their private lives into view when they fail a test. They have to go home and tell their family and friends they were fired for failing a drug test at work.

 

[MoKelly]

The problem is that a positive test does not always mean the person was impaired at the time of the test.


Also, a poppy seed bagel or muffin can cause a positive test.

Ha!

Can’t tell you the number of times I’ve heard that excuse. I’ve never seen it work.

MoKelly

 

[PuffyC]

Facts not correct!
FAA alcohol rule is 8 hours!

United Airlines is 12 hours but you’re right, 8 hours is even worse.

I don't see the correlation of drug testing and searching ones private life.

Then you don’t understand how drug tests work. You can smoke a joint at home on Friday night and still test positive Monday morning. It has nothing to do with being impaired or under the influence. Without a warrant, due process or even probable cause, they’re searching your body to detect behaviors you may have done days ago on your own personal time.

As to the “your boss can do whatever she wants and if you don’t like it find another job” argument, would you be that cool with it if you were fired from your job for owning a legal firearm? Or because you said something in a forum she didn’t like? I certainly hope not. Once you only care about the freedoms that personally impact your particular lifestyle and everyone else be damned, you’re just setting yourself up to lose yours as well.

 

[fried1765]

United Airlines is 12 hours but you’re right, 8 hours is even worse.


Then you don’t understand how drug tests work. You can smoke a joint at home on Friday night and still test positive Monday morning. It has nothing to do with being impaired or under the influence. Without a warrant, due process or even probable cause, they’re searching your body to detect behaviors you may have done days ago on your own personal time.

As to the “your boss can do whatever she wants and if you don’t like it find another job” argument, would you be that cool with it if you were fired from your job for owning a legal firearm? Or because you said something in a forum she didn’t like? I certainly hope not. Once you only care about the freedoms that personally impact your particular lifestyle and everyone else be damned, you’re just setting yourself up to lose yours as well.

FAA is 8 hours, and/or .04 or greater blood alcohol concentration.
Airlines can, and do, impose their own more restrictive company rules.

 

[MoKelly]

As to the “your boss can do whatever she wants and if you don’t like it find another job” argument, would you be that cool with it if you were fired from your job for owning a legal firearm? Or because you said something in a forum she didn’t like? I certainly hope not.

Get fired due to a social media post? It happens all the time folks.

MoKelly

 

[Citydude]

United Airlines is 12 hours but you’re right, 8 hours is even worse.


Then you don’t understand how drug tests work. You can smoke a joint at home on Friday night and still test positive Monday morning. It has nothing to do with being impaired or under the influence. Without a warrant, due process or even probable cause, they’re searching your body to detect behaviors you may have done days ago on your own personal time.

As to the “your boss can do whatever she wants and if you don’t like it find another job” argument, would you be that cool with it if you were fired from your job for owning a legal firearm? Or because you said something in a forum she didn’t like? I certainly hope not. Once you only care about the freedoms that personally impact your particular lifestyle and everyone else be damned, you’re just setting yourself up to lose yours as well.

I very much know how drug tests work. I used to administer them. I'm done explaining that to you. I agree to disagree.

Wyoming is a constitutional carry state. However, if you have a weapon on company property, you would be terminated.

If my lifestyle was getting high over the weekend and running the risk of loosing my job on Monday, I'm probably not making good life choices concerning that place of employment.

 

[drssg]

United Airlines is 12 hours but you’re right, 8 hours is even worse.


Then you don’t understand how drug tests work. You can smoke a joint at home on Friday night and still test positive Monday morning. It has nothing to do with being impaired or under the influence. Without a warrant, due process or even probable cause, they’re searching your body to detect behaviors you may have done days ago on your own personal time.

As to the “your boss can do whatever she wants and if you don’t like it find another job” argument, would you be that cool with it if you were fired from your job for owning a legal firearm? Or because you said something in a forum she didn’t like? I certainly hope not. Once you only care about the freedoms that personally impact your particular lifestyle and everyone else be damned, you’re just setting yourself up to lose yours as well.

I think you make an interesting analogy between the drug test and searching your home. From a pragmatic standpoint, I don't see drug testing going away. I would say it's also analogous to DUI checkpoints. The police have no probable cause to think the drivers are intoxicated, but they seem to have survived legal challenges. There is some allowance for general public safety, and the employer has considerable flexibility in decided who he wants to have as a paid employee.

Historically, I think it has also helped that the employer is testing for illegal drugs. There is still a gray area, since I believe that the state laws conflict with federal laws. If marijuana becomes legalized at the federal level, I wouldn't be surprised if that drug is eventually removed from drug testing criteria.

There has always been a huge difference between your constitutional freedom vs. what you can do and still keep your job. An applicant has every right to get a ******** tattoo on his forehead, but good luck finding a job. And of course, anything you put out on social media is fair game. Some employers have been searching that as part of their hiring process for quite a while.

It really comes down to supply and demand. If they employer starts having trouble filling positions, then their pickiness goes down.

 

[JethroB]

I would expect there to be some advances in simple affordable testing in the coming years that determines levels of intoxication vs. prior use. There may already be. Probably following a court decision somewhere.

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