Change oil every year or at the recommended 300 hours

   / Change oil every year or at the recommended 300 hours #41  
7500 miles on synthetic in vehicles.
Which is 166.7 hours averaging 45mph, and usually at a lower average RPM than our tractors are used at.. if one wants to try and compare to on road vehicles.
 
   / Change oil every year or at the recommended 300 hours #42  
The discussion I see missing in this thread is the application of common sense. If an engine is ran hard it probably needs changed more often than if it is not. If the tractor sets out in the weather it probably needs changed more often than if it sets in a covered, dry storage area. If you use synthetic it will probably go longer before breaking down. What in the manual is a guideline written for those who have difficulty in using common sense. I sure don't see the manual guidelines as a firm rule.

In general oil is usually changed far more frequently than necessary to maintain engine longevity. You really have to get fairly stupid to cause engine oil related problems with modern oils ad filters. Sending your oil off for analysis is probably the best way to evaluate yourself as to see if you are being **** concerning oil changes. An inexpensive home use oil quality analyzer will steer you the right direction, particularly on small engines. With one I have found the time an engine will go between oil changes varies significantly and is always longer than "recommended".

As to those who say oil is cheap, and excessive oil changes are cheap insurance; that may be true but indicates to me that one has a fairly low regard for environmental issues. Recycling oil is not nearly as environmentally friendly as not using it in the first place.
Couldn't agree with you more about common sense Cougsfan. I can tell by looking at the oil on my dipstick approximately where my oil is in its life cycle.

I also agree that many/most overchange their oil however if cost is no object and one views it as "insurance" there are worse things you can can spend your money on.

Finally I agree with you that purchasing an oil analyzer is a good solution. These instruments are typically less than $50 and will give you accurate enough feedback to make a decision on whether to change the oil or not.
 
   / Change oil every year or at the recommended 300 hours #43  
I use my tractor 75 to 100 hours per year. I change engine oil every other year. I use Rotella 15W40. Oil analysis has shown the two year old oil is still acceptable. I do the change simply for peace of mind.
 
   / Change oil every year or at the recommended 300 hours #44  
I can see a lot of value in the tests depending on the application.

When I was involved in managing a fleet of several thousand vehicles and equipment, we did oil testing on a subset of them. That helped us establish extended intervals for changing fluids without compromising the engines. On equipment that saw low-hour use, it really extended the intervals.

The tests weren't / aren't performed at the same interval as a "scheduled" oil change. That is, you don't test for $45 to find out if you should change the oil for $45. You test to find out the condition of the oil and then determine, from an engineering / mechanical / scientific standpoint what the prudent interval for maintenance should be.

The results posted by kornowsd are very interesting and make me feel much more comfortable with stretching the fluid change intervals on my equipment. I know what's run hard in dusty dirty conditions and what's not, and for the lightly used equipment I can see letting it go for several years.

My newish truck says to change the oil at 10K miles or when the dash panel tells me to. Now the service guy at the dealer says there's "no way" that he would go that long. But apparently Ford thinks it's ok. Remember when we used to change oil every 3000 miles? (Of course, a can of oil was about 49 cents then . . . . )
 
   / Change oil every year or at the recommended 300 hours #45  
The tests weren't / aren't performed at the same interval as a "scheduled" oil change. That is, you don't test for $45 to find out if you should change the oil for $45. You test to find out the condition of the oil and then determine, from an engineering / mechanical / scientific standpoint what the prudent interval for maintenance should be.
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   / Change oil every year or at the recommended 300 hours #46  
Maybe I'm **** about oil changes, but I do mine every year even though I don't reach the hours. Manual says "XXX hours or yearly" so I keep it simple and do what the manual says. It would likely cost the same or more to send oil for analysis than the cost of the oil and I certainly can't hurt the tractor by changing the oil more frequently than I really need to.
Speaking of being **** retentive I have a question.

Getting ready for the first oil/filter change on my RTV-X1100C which takes 4.3 quarts of oil according to the manual. The oil I buy - Hot Shot Green Diamond - is only sold in one gallon containers. So is it necessary to buy an additional gallon just for the extra 9 ounces or will the one gallon be enough to put the oil at a acceptable level on the dipstick?
 
   / Change oil every year or at the recommended 300 hours #47  
Speaking of being **** retentive I have a question.

Getting ready for the first oil/filter change on my RTV-X1100C which takes 4.3 quarts of oil according to the manual. The oil I buy - Hot Shot Green Diamond - is only sold in one gallon containers. So is it necessary to buy an additional gallon just for the extra 9 ounces or will the one gallon be enough to put the oil at a acceptable level on the dipstick?
Maybe ask the manufacturer if you run the RTV consistently with only 93% of the oil capacity in it will it void your warranty.

Do you use the same oil in anything else? Is the oil that expensive it does not make sense to buy the extra gallon?

You could buy the extra gallon and have enough to top off the next 14 oil changes. Just a thought.
 
   / Change oil every year or at the recommended 300 hours #48  
Maybe ask the manufacturer if you run the RTV consistently with only 93% of the oil capacity in it will it void your warranty.
Thanks for the reply.

The manual shows a range on the dipstick that is acceptable. If the 4.3 quart is the top of the range then what would the lower portion of the range represent as less than 4.3 quarts?

Do you use the same oil in anything else? Is the oil that expensive it does not make sense to buy the extra gallon?
Only diesel I have

You could buy the extra gallon and have enough to top off the next 14 oil changes. Just a thought.
Not sure if keeping a container that's been open would be a concern if I wouldn't be using again for another 12 months. If I do this I would buy a new container - add 18 ounces to the old container and save the new one for the next year adding additional 9 ounces each year - this would continue for the next 12 years and seeing how I'm already 73 it might give me an incentive to keep my health up.

I just may end up ordering another gallon as the RTV-X1100C is fairly new and not sure if it actually uses any oil over the course of a year.
 
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   / Change oil every year or at the recommended 300 hours #49  
I go by hours.

Pretty much depends on a lot of factors. That's why there are guidelines from manufacturers. Not sure what large-truck manufacturers say, but I know that large fleet operators depend on lab reports for their changes. And it seems that more manufacturers have smart systems monitoring engines for this very thing: pretty sure that
I'd seen (because I was looking at them) late model Ram Cummins had oil monitoring systems.

One thing that people aren't factoring is TIME. Don't know about others, but I'm too busy to be doing unnecessary work.

Here's an unrelated (to oil changes) example to expound on how one tends to overlook time for things perceived as being menial...

My VW TDIs average around 50mpg. For my car, since I've owned it, I've filled the fuel tank a total of 147 times. If I were to figure 10 minutes for a fill up (aiming the car toward the station, stopping, filling, logging :D and then setting back out) that's 24.5 hrs! If I were driving a car with a similar sized fuel tank and getting 25 mpg I'd be looking at an additional 24.5 hrs of time just filling up! Raise your hand if you've ever felt that you'd like to have more time for something! NOTE: my car is actually averaging 51.5 mpg over the course of 103k miles, so my average of 50mpg isn't inflated (but, it does cover for my wife's car getting a bit under 50 mpg!).

My point with the above is that we have a way of overlooking the amount of time we use to do things: sometimes we don't want to admit that something which should have taken only X amount of time ended up taking X + Y time!

Regarding water/moisture, I delved into this issue a bit when trying to track down where my Kioti was getting all the water that was ending up in it's fuel filter ("water in fuel" light coming on): it turned out to be via a crappy/cheap locking fuel cap! During my investigation I was sure it would be my bulk diesel fuel tank: it has a water filter on it; and no water found from the drain. I ran across the following info that I thought was pretty profound:

The Myth of Condensation in Fuel Tanks by David Pascoe: Boat Maintenance, Repairs and Troubleshooting

Water, unless you have holes somewhere, isn't going to be forming in/on your oil. Any issue could only really be that of condensation on metal surfaces (or on a surface that lies between two areas of differing temperatures, which can't happen if everything is acclimated together, sitting statically for periods of time). I suspect that rust isn't going to be happening on oil-coated parts, which then comes down to ensuring that an engine is run frequently enough to ensure that oil is dispersed on all surfaces. When oil is warmed up and chemical activities are occurring is when the oil [additives] is going to interact with any oxidation or minute moisture. IF your oil is healthy then it's capable of dealing with this. Why change the oil? Any contaminants that one could be concerned with aren't happening IN the oil; they happen with the oil absorbing through chemical interaction (flow and heat): oil up against the side of a material is going to effectively block oxidation. Change the old oil and fire it up and what happens? The NEW oil does the same work that the old, healthy oil would have. Most engine wear occurs at start-up. Likely the stuff that ain't neutralized by the oil additives right away is the culprit; but, again, this has less to do with the condition of the oil than of getting the engine up to temp (and getting the viable oil doing its job).
 
   / Change oil every year or at the recommended 300 hours #50  
Speaking of being **** retentive I have a question.

Getting ready for the first oil/filter change on my RTV-X1100C which takes 4.3 quarts of oil according to the manual. The oil I buy - Hot Shot Green Diamond - is only sold in one gallon containers. So is it necessary to buy an additional gallon just for the extra 9 ounces or will the one gallon be enough to put the oil at a acceptable level on the dipstick?
Could just add 9 oz of T6 if needed.
 

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