Does woven wire horse fence exist anymore?

[EddieWalker]

I went to 4 stores to find 1x6 Hardie trim on Thursday. 3 hours running around and not getting any work done. I found a dozen of them in a store half an hour away. I cannot find 6/3 wire or conduit bigger then one inch. I bought the last two tubes of Liquid Nails last week. I bought the last can of flat white ceiling paint in all of Tyler the week before. I paid $85 for a can of some ugly shade of beige paint to match a hole in a wall in a house that was going on the market. I barely used any of it. I've had to use 3/8's sheetrock because I couldn't find half inch anywhere to make a repair and then build it up with mud.

The other day, the big door was open in back of Home Depot and I could see a hundred pallets of stuff for the store, but there are bare shelves all over the store. They cannot find anybody to work nights to stock the store, so it's a nightmare trying to get around while the day shift works on stocking while people are shopping. If you need something, and it's behind the store, they will go find it, but you have to wait an hour for that person to find it.

 

[ultrarunner]

My niece is home from college... the expense and remote learning even with scholarship wasn't doing it for her...

She applied at Costco and hired immediately... about as on the spot as you can get...

Two years ago she had friends that applied and it was a drawn out process...

They have her working restocking night including Sunday...

She is happy with the money and picking up extra hours...

I learned first hand more jobs than people that want them...

One of her High School friends she reached out to said she doesn't want to be tied down to a job???

I'm sure years from now lots of studies will be done regarding this...

I'm not sure leaving school is the best in her Junior year but taking most of your classes on a laptop and paying housing and other expenses made her question the whole thing...

You are probably better informed on medical...

Medical experiencing strikes from RN, Engineering, etc in several medical systems plus people resigning over mandatory vaccination... Staff including Docs are simply retiring... some to country property with tractors... not the norm for late 50' early 60's.

RN are upset that due to shortage traveling nurses being hired at much higher pay than regular nurses.

Travelors can make 5 to 6k a week next to employee nurses making half that...

 

[Torvy]

My BSN-RN daughter said the same thing. The higher pay is because they are contractors. Responsible for both parts of payroll taxes and their own benefits. They still make a bunch of money, but it is what the market bears.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

I went to 4 stores to find 1x6 Hardie trim on Thursday. 3 hours running around and not getting any work done. I found a dozen of them in a store half an hour away. I cannot find 6/3 wire or conduit bigger then one inch. I bought the last two tubes of Liquid Nails last week. I bought the last can of flat white ceiling paint in all of Tyler the week before. I paid $85 for a can of some ugly shade of beige paint to match a hole in a wall in a house that was going on the market. I barely used any of it. I've had to use 3/8's sheetrock because I couldn't find half inch anywhere to make a repair and then build it up with mud.

The other day, the big door was open in back of Home Depot and I could see a hundred pallets of stuff for the store, but there are bare shelves all over the store. They cannot find anybody to work nights to stock the store, so it's a nightmare trying to get around while the day shift works on stocking while people are shopping. If you need something, and it's behind the store, they will go find it, but you have to wait an hour for that person to find it.

We live in a crazy, mixed up world...

 

[ultrarunner]

My BSN-RN daughter said the same thing. The higher pay is because they are contractors. Responsible for both parts of payroll taxes and their own benefits. They still make a bunch of money, but it is what the market bears.

Also part of compensation not counted as income...

I'm not a CPA or HR but the switch is breaking the back of many stand alone facilities...

As Eddie alluded to there are many factors affecting the supply chain including finding/retaining labor, transportation, inventory...

 

[Torvy]

@EddieWalker. If you had a list earlier, I could have picked some stuff up for you out here (FW). I'll be in Tyler in the morning.

 

[EddieWalker]

Thank you, I appreciate the offer. I just got my corners marked the other day and I've picked up a few posts to get started on my fence. I'm still a long way away from "needing" the fencing. I'm just kind of in shock that it's become so hard to find all of a sudden. I bought several rolls a few months ago to fence in my vegetable garden because one of my dogs decided it was fun to dig out everything we planted. There was plenty of it available then. Now the places where it used to sit in the stores are all empty. In the back of my brain, I'm sort of thinking, wishing, that it will all show up one day and something else will disappear for awhile. That sort of seems to be the pattern. Just start looking for it now, buy as much as you can if it's available, or wait until it shows up, and then buy as much as you can afford. It's what it is.

 

[EddieWalker]

My wife said that contract nurses are being paid $200 an hour. Nursing students are starting out at $25 to $50 an hour, depending on where they go to work, and what they are doing. If you are willing to move to a small town in West Texas, you can make six figures your first year, have all your moving expenses paid, and some help with housing.

Medical care is going to get VERY EXPENSIVE real soon!!!!

 

[grsthegreat]

It’s already crazy expensive

 

[EddieWalker]

I just spoke to my neighbor and the good news is that he agrees with where the corners are marked. That's was a concern, especially since the line isn't where we thought it was, and it's where we both thought was his land. He also offered to help clear the fence line, and said that he was fine with me taking out trees on his side of the line to open it up. I want him to mow his side of the fence, he wants more sunshine for the grass to grow on his side. win win!!!

 

[grsthegreat]

Nice when that works out

 

[ponytug]

My niece is home from college... the expense and remote learning even with scholarship wasn't doing it for her...

She applied at Costco and hired immediately... about as on the spot as you can get...

Two years ago she had friends that applied and it was a drawn out process...

They have her working restocking night including Sunday...

She is happy with the money and picking up extra hours...

I learned first hand more jobs than people that want them...

One of her High School friends she reached out to said she doesn't want to be tied down to a job???

I'm sure years from now lots of studies will be done regarding this...

I'm not sure leaving school is the best in her Junior year but taking most of your classes on a laptop and paying housing and other expenses made her question the whole thing...

You are probably better informed on medical...

Medical experiencing strikes from RN, Engineering, etc in several medical systems plus people resigning over mandatory vaccination... Staff including Docs are simply retiring... some to country property with tractors... not the norm for late 50' early 60's.

RN are upset that due to shortage traveling nurses being hired at much higher pay than regular nurses.

Travelors can make 5 to 6k a week next to employee nurses making half that...

I keep seeing surveys that have 50% of the nurses and 50% of the doctors planning on retiring in the next ten years, and those were pre-covid. The same for semi drivers.

Labor shortages are very real, all over, and the backlog at the ports, and the dearth of shipping containers isn't helping. They are a bunch of business that used to use the "empty" containers to move freight out of the central US, but with no containers, it is taking even more labor to load and move the trucks. With import / export jammed, there aren't viable alternatives.

It is a domino effect and it is going to take a year or two to even out. Longer if people keep getting sick. Something like ten to twenty percent of those who get sick from Covid are going to be unhealthy for the longer term, further clogging the medical system.

Stay safe out there.

All the best,

Peter

 

[riptides]

Odd, here at my local HD, I just get notified that the delivery has made it to the store. I go out back, find it, track down the employee and notify them and the electronic notification system, that I have what I want and am out of there. These last few times the employees ask if I want the shipping crates too. I politely decline.

I went to 4 stores to find 1x6 Hardie trim on Thursday. 3 hours running around and not getting any work done. I found a dozen of them in a store half an hour away. I cannot find 6/3 wire or conduit bigger then one inch. I bought the last two tubes of Liquid Nails last week. I bought the last can of flat white ceiling paint in all of Tyler the week before. I paid $85 for a can of some ugly shade of beige paint to match a hole in a wall in a house that was going on the market. I barely used any of it. I've had to use 3/8's sheetrock because I couldn't find half inch anywhere to make a repair and then build it up with mud.

The other day, the big door was open in back of Home Depot and I could see a hundred pallets of stuff for the store, but there are bare shelves all over the store. They cannot find anybody to work nights to stock the store, so it's a nightmare trying to get around while the day shift works on stocking while people are shopping. If you need something, and it's behind the store, they will go find it, but you have to wait an hour for that person to find it.

 

[showcattle]

Horse fencing USA – Tornado Wire

www.tornadowire.com

 

[EddieWalker]

Thank you for the link. I've seen the Tornado fence on some youtube videos and it looks like goof fencing. It's nowhere close to where I live, but if it was, and the cost was reasonable, I would consider it for sure!!!

Right now it looks like Tractor Supply has Red Brand horse fence in some stores. It's almost like every other store has a few rolls. What's even more interesting is their prices is $149 for a 100 foot roll, and Lowes has raised their price from $166 a roll to $178 for a 100 foot roll. With my 10% military discount, Lowes was a good place to buy, but now it's looking like I'll be spending more time visiting different Tractor Supply stores.

 

[grsthegreat]

When I did my fencing a few years ago, tractor supply had lowest price on non climb fencing than anyone.

 

[DieselBound]

I used fixed-knot woven wire for fencing in my homestead area (about 2,100 linear feet). It's more expensive than regular woven wire fencing, but you can get by with nearly 1/2 as many line posts; can go up to 20' between posts (that's what I did). Less posts, less holes, less hardware to install, less installation time, and less maintenance.

I went through my local coop to get my fencing (I got most of my posts from Tractor Supply).

Here's what Ken Cove (have bought plenty of stuff from them, just not their fencing- shipping would have been problematic):
Fixed-Knot

 

[grsthegreat]

I used red brand non climb horse fencing. Extremely strong fencing. Lasts a long time.

 

[DieselBound]

"Strongest fencing":

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/bekaert-field-fence-949-6-125-ht-cl3-118199-1006389

Commenters didn't watch the entire [short] video as the video DID show the same scenario of pushing up against the fence between two metal t-posts (earlier part of the video they showed a wooden post on one side, which, of course was inconsistent with the test with regular woven wire):

One issue that I've had with this fencing is that the vertical stays can become a bit compromised when tree trunks and large branches crash down on the fencing. I have a lot of trees and have had my share of such happening. BUT, I can straighten things back up and the fence tends to stand up fine: sometimes I'll have to put a twist in the horizontal wires to tighten things back up, but this is no different than with regular woven wire.

 

[gstrom99]

+1 for Red Brand. I get mine at Blaine's Farm & Fleet, but they are only in the midwest.