Looking for used 50-70hp, pre-emissions tractor. JD?

[N80]

I have been looking for a larger tractor to replace or go with my Kubota L4400 4wd. The L4400 is 45 hp and is a good machine but it is very light weight. I need something heavier and with substantially more loader capacity. I'm looking for a used pre-emissions tractor with no computer. I'm looking in the 60-70 hp range. My ideal machine is a Kubota M6040 or M7040. Needs to be 4wd. But these are hard to find and as everyone knows these pre-emissions tractors are EXPENSIVE right now. I looked at a M7040 with 1800 hours on it. Beat up. Bent exhaust pipe. One of the front wheels and tires was new which makes me wonder what happened to it. Otherwise it was solid. Drove and functioned well. No obvious leaks etc. $28,500! And searching the web that's consistent with what else is out there. I've made a casual offer of $22,000 but haven't heard back. Can't imagine he'll get anywhere close. But it has been sitting there a while.

So, I need to broaden my horizons. That would primarily mean John Deere or other popular brand with good local dealer support. But I don't know anything about brands other than Kubota. I would prefer a mechanical shuttle shift. Would consider hydraulic shuttle shift. No hydro. What would the JD equivalent of a Kubota M6040 or M7040 be? Any thoughts or recommendations appreciated.

 

[bmaverick]

What you are looking for is what 10s of thousand others are looking for too. The used tractor market for the 50-70Hp is at an all time high demand and prices are not in your favor either.

Due to the Right-2-Work bills coming to votes by the summer, many have turned to the very machine requirements you are now looking for.

Keep the Kubota L4400. Don't replace it. Then when you are finally blessed with what your heart desires, a miracle can happen.

 

[LD1]

Perhaps consider a little older even. The 6040 and the 7040 are directly before the computer and emission stuff. Go back a step further and look as well. M5400,5700,6800,8200

JD would be anything in the 5000 series would compare to the smaller M tractors.

similar year to the 6040 and 7040 would be like the 5065e or 5075e.

The 5000 series has ran for 3 decades now. So just have to research them out to see just what you want. JD also has a letter following the model. Could be a D, E, G, M, R They all mean something different. Really not up on deeres. I just know that you want the 5000 series cause their 4000 series tractors are basically like the MX kubota line

 

[oosik]

This is my 2009 Kubota M6040. It's in pristine condition and has only 290 hours. I have no intention of selling. Just a while back - email from Kubota dealer. Offered $32,500 - as is. That's almost exactly what I paid thirteen years ago. Wonder what THEY were going to sell it for.

No - I am not trying to irritate anybody. Just an example of what is happening locally.

 

[Reddogs]

I have been looking for a larger tractor to replace or go with my Kubota L4400 4wd. The L4400 is 45 hp and is a good machine but it is very light weight. I need something heavier and with substantially more loader capacity. I'm looking for a used pre-emissions tractor with no computer. I'm looking in the 60-70 hp range. My ideal machine is a Kubota M6040 or M7040. Needs to be 4wd. But these are hard to find and as everyone knows these pre-emissions tractors are EXPENSIVE right now. I looked at a M7040 with 1800 hours on it. Beat up. Bent exhaust pipe. One of the front wheels and tires was new which makes me wonder what happened to it. Otherwise it was solid. Drove and functioned well. No obvious leaks etc. $28,500! And searching the web that's consistent with what else is out there. I've made a casual offer of $22,000 but haven't heard back. Can't imagine he'll get anywhere close. But it has been sitting there a while.

So, I need to broaden my horizons. That would primarily mean John Deere or other popular brand with good local dealer support. But I don't know anything about brands other than Kubota. I would prefer a mechanical shuttle shift. Would consider hydraulic shuttle shift. No hydro. What would the JD equivalent of a Kubota M6040 or M7040 be? Any thoughts or recommendations appreciated.

Nothing I could find in Florida when I was looking, but the best place to check would be Futchs Tractor Depot in Hastings Fl.

 

[EddieWalker]

I started looking seriously for a used tractor over the summer. I wanted a cabbed 4x4 tractor big enough to handle round bales, and a batwing mower. I was looking at 80 to 90 hp tractors that all had issues, with around 2,000 hours. I'm financing and they where all in the $850 a month range. More then I wanted to pay every month, but doable. What really bothered me was that I knew I would be wrenching on them, and dealing with issues from the previous owners that could takes days to figure out, or longer. Since I wanted AC, that also became a concern. A lot of them did not blow cold air!!! Of all the brands I looked at, Kubota was the most expensive, but also the nicest compared to the others.

I started several links on here with the tractors that caught my eye and eventually started to rethink what I wanted. My biggest issue with new was the unknown time bomb of Tier4 emissions. If that didn't exist, I would prefer to buy new.

Somebody on here suggested looking at Massey Ferguson. Their 4707 tractor is 70 hp and it does not use DEF, and it does not Regenerate. It is longer and heavier then all of it's competition. It comes standard with more features then any other brand that I know of in that HP range. Their zero percent financing brought the monthly payment down to $660 for a brand new, 4x4 cabbed tractor, 12 speed transmission, with a loader.

I signed the paper in November and I'm waiting for it now.

 

[N80]

This is my 2009 Kubota M6040. It's in pristine condition and has only 290 hours. I have no intention of selling. Just a while back - email from Kubota dealer. Offered $32,500 - as is. That's almost exactly what I paid thirteen years ago. Wonder what THEY were going to sell it for.

No - I am not trying to irritate anybody. Just an example of what is happening locally.

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THAT is the tractor I need!

 

[Hay Dude]

I have never been impressed with Kubota loaders lift capacity.

 

[Hozzie]

I have never been impressed with Kubota loaders lift capacity.

I tend to agree, but the more I read these forums and listen to people, I think Kubota may be one of the few who put a loader on that is rightly sized for the tractor and weight. The problem I see is that everyone just looks at specs and goes, ooh, that lifts more so it is better. The problem is they have a 3000# lift capacity on a 5000lb tractor and then a front axle breaks (or worse the tractor splits in half ) and it's the tractors fault, not theirs for doing something they probably shouldn't have.

I guess what I am saying is most should go up a size in tractor, but of course they can't afford to or just don't want to. There will always be fringe cases, but if you are looking at max loader capacity and expecting to always need it, one should be buying a bigger tractor.

 

[jyoutz]

How

I started looking seriously for a used tractor over the summer. I wanted a cabbed 4x4 tractor big enough to handle round bales, and a batwing mower. I was looking at 80 to 90 hp tractors that all had issues, with around 2,000 hours. I'm financing and they where all in the $850 a month range. More then I wanted to pay every month, but doable. What really bothered me was that I knew I would be wrenching on them, and dealing with issues from the previous owners that could takes days to figure out, or longer. Since I wanted AC, that also became a concern. A lot of them did not blow cold air!!! Of all the brands I looked at, Kubota was the most expensive, but also the nicest compared to the others.

I started several links on here with the tractors that caught my eye and eventually started to rethink what I wanted. My biggest issue with new was the unknown time bomb of Tier4 emissions. If that didn't exist, I would prefer to buy new.

Somebody on here suggested looking at Massey Ferguson. Their 4707 tractor is 70 hp and it does not use DEF, and it does not Regenerate. It is longer and heavier then all of it's competition. It comes standard with more features then any other brand that I know of in that HP range. Their zero percent financing brought the monthly payment down to $660 for a brand new, 4x4 cabbed tractor, 12 speed transmission, with a loader.

I signed the paper in November and I'm waiting for it now.

How can a new tractor in that hp range be sold without emissions? I don’t think that’s legal. Please explain what the situation is, because your description doesn’t make sense to me.

 

[LittleBittyBigJohn]

I see a lot more 2wd right now. Seems like 4WD is super expensive. If 2wd were even an option something like this would probably be good.

JD 5420 for $23,500. Doesn't list hours though.

John Deere 5420, 2wd with loader - farm & garden - by dealer - sale

Nice John Deere 5420 (81 Eng HP) 2wd tractor, has syncro shuttle 9X3, canopy, Ind PTO, joystick front valve with extensions to hook up for dual rear remote hyd. Comes with John Deere 542 Quick...

fayar.craigslist.org

 

[Hozzie]

How

How can a new tractor in that hp range be sold without emissions? I don’t think that’s legal. Please explain what the situation is, because your description doesn’t make sense to me.

It has emissions, it just doesn't use a dpf that has to regen like a lot of the others. It has a DOC, but not DPF. I don't get that into the details on it, but DOC is also used with a DPF if I have it right.

 

[jyoutz]

It has emissions, it just doesn't use a dpf that has to regen like a lot of the others. It has a DOC, but not DPF. I don't get that into the details on it, but DOC is also used with a DPF if I have it right.

But he also said no DEF. I thought that DOC systems used DEF?

 

[Hozzie]

It's only above a certain HP where DEF is needed. I believe it may be 74HP or less don't need DEF.

 

[Hay Dude]

I tend to agree, but the more I read these forums and listen to people, I think Kubota may be one of the few who put a loader on that is rightly sized for the tractor and weight. The problem I see is that everyone just looks at specs and goes, ooh, that lifts more so it is better. The problem is they have a 3000# lift capacity on a 5000lb and then a front axle breaks (or worse the tractor splits in half ) and it's the tractors fault, not theirs for doing something they probably shouldn't have.

I guess what I am saying is most should go up a size in tractor, but of course they can't afford to or just don't want to. There will always be fringe cases, but if you are looking at max loader capacity and expecting to always need it, one should be buying a bigger tractor.

I should say the tractor and loader, because I dont know the limiting factor, but Im not impressed with either of mine. I’d say they were barely adequate.

 

[rScotty]

It sounds to me like you know what you want, and I bet you will find it.

I've always preferred to buy used, and although I may save a little money, my reasons have nothing at all to do with price. Sounds like you are thinking much the same. I'm more likely to be concerned with the previous owner. What shape is the rest of his machinery in? Does he have all the records? How is his shop? Why is he selling?

When I get ready to buy used, I already know what model I'm after and what features it should have. Condition is everything. I'm not even going to go look at something that isn't in great shape.

There are plenty of owners who take excellent care of their machinery. By using it a few years they have broken it in properly, fixed the little things, dealt with any necessary warranty, and all of that givesme increased confidence. The way I see it, those items are all worth money to me. I get to have what amounts to a long term road test of a particular machine in a model that I am familear with.

Sometimes it takes a while. You have the advantage of already knowing that the price will be high, but there is good in that.
rScotty

 

[N80]

I have never been impressed with Kubota loaders lift capacity.

I tend to agree, but the more I read these forums and listen to people, I think Kubota may be one of the few who put a loader on that is rightly sized for the tractor and weight.

@Hozzie hit the nail on the head. My L4400 has the LA703 loader. That indicates 703kg (1546 pounds) at the bucket pin. I recently unloaded and carried my new sawmill (on a double pallet) on clamp on bucket forks...well out from the pins. I had a ~500 pound box blade on the back with a 200 pound man standing on it and filled rears. I know that the sawmill weighed right at 1500 pounds. The _loader_ handled it with no problem other than having to be very gentle when lowering to keep it from coming down too fast. But the tractor which is probably under 5000 pounds as configured above was unstable. Coming up the gravel drive the rear tires were slipping.

The point being that the loader capacity was matched pretty well to the tractor. If the load had been closer to the pins it would have been maxed out but probably more stable.

My current needs involve lifting and carrying logs up to 24 inches in diameter and 16 feet long. My tractor will handle pines 20 inches in diameter and 14 feet long but barely. And as mentioned, doing that on a regular basis is going to lead to a failure. That is why I'm looking for something with higher loader capacity but also a lot more weight. The M7040s also have skid steer quick attaches up front and I could couple that with proper forks vs clamp on forks which are by nature way out in front of the pins.

Still no reply on the offer on the M7040.

 

[jonsstihl]

I'm pretty sure the M class machines come with a ALO quick attach due to the higher capacity but local differences may have them available with SSQA. my father in laws 7040 came with the ALO setup instead of SSQA.

Capacity listed is to full height. in the loader manual there is a graph that compares capacity to height. and they also changed the standard ratings. my LA854 loader is actually a little stronger than the LA1055 on the XX60 series because they used to name the loaders with the capacities 500 MM forward of the pins and now they name them with capacities at the pins so the number is bigger but if you look up the specs, it is actually a little weaker. probably wouldn't notice in real life. also my loader was rated with the standard pin on connection but the newer loaders are rated with the SSQA connection so real life capacities are slightly different.

My loader can actually lift close to 4000Lbs at the pins at ground level but it decreases significantly as you raise the loader.

 

[Jstpssng]

But he also said no DEF. I thought that DOC systems used DEF?

My neighbors bought a similar sized Massey a couple of years ago, for the same reasons as Eddie. It went down twice in the first year because of emissions problems... they weren't running it hard enough. Diesels weren't made to be run at low speeds, work it a little or the engine won't even get up to full operating temps.
Considering how many Tier 4 machines that have been sold, it's amazing that any of them run if you listen to some people. It seems like every tractor dealer must have a full lot... of tractors waiting to be worked on. Granted there are exceptions, but they actually are pretty dependable IF used the way they are designed to be run.

 

[N80]

I don’t even know the difference between ALO and SSQA so I probably misspoke. I know it had some sort of QA.