Buying crushed rock -- new MSHA rules?

[Jstpssng]

Not even the 1979 C20.

Especially not that one!!!

 

[JWR]

Same here. I've picked up the occasional trailer load of topsoil/mulch/manure, but that's it. I doubt many who aren't DOT carriers have equipment capable of safely hauling stone or gravel.

Do you mean even renting a mini-excavator to do yard work? Hope it never gets that bad here.

What exactly is "safely hauling stone or gravel?" I think that is BS.

 

[keljan11]

Ah, the days when there were gravel pits with gravel in them! Hereabouts, all we have now is crushed rock.

We have a fairly large shale slide area on our property. If we need a load, I just go over and get a load. If we need a lot, we have a friend with backhoe and dump truck. There is a deal with him that we get the driveway done every couple of years, and he has access to it anytime he wants it

 

[lxmeier]

I dont know about a new rule, but around here most quarries have a 10 ton minimum per load, so they wont load a 3 ton trailer anyway. Not worth the trouble to move an operator and equipment for a small load. Missouri.

 

[nknelsen]

Hooked up the Big Tex dump trailer to get a load of 5/8 yesterday. When i got to the pit where i have bought for 30 years i was told by dispatch that MSHA prohibits anyone without a contractors license from being in the pit or buyIng rock. I maintain 1/4 mile gravel road. Anyone else heard about such nonsense?

That's the way it is here in Canada I believe. But I believe that most pits, if you develop a good relationship with them, would sell you some aggregate in small quantities for coffee or beer money. Aggregate is tracked, but not that accurately.

 

[nknelsen]

I dont know about a new rule, but around here most quarries have a 10 ton minimum per load, so they wont load a 3 ton trailer anyway. Not worth the trouble to move an operator and equipment for a small load. Missouri.

They will load 3 ton, they'll just charge you for 10.

 

[nknelsen]

Most recent was a Bandit 65 Chipper…

It was in the rental fleet and for sale.

I was thinking of buying and the deal was rent it and if I decided to buy the rental cost applied to purchase.

The chipper was hitched to my truck and my credit card charged including damage waiver and a copy of my Driver License.

I was leaving the yard and flagged down to return to office.

The counter guy said I forgot to make a copy of my contractor license.

When I said I don’t contract he said I could not rent but no problem selling!

Spent the next half hour unhooking and cancelling the transaction… mind you I had called in advance to reserve the chipper with my credit card.

This was with the local Bandit Franchise…

I probably would have just driven away. How are you going to get charged? You paid what they asked for. The world is getting too complicated.

 

[tradosaurus]

I just work my driveway with my box blade to keep from having to buy gravel.

 

[nknelsen]

In Texas a commercial contractors license doesn’t really exist.

Texans wouldn't stand for that. They'd turn the certificate into a target on a post.

 

[Tony H]

Never heard of it in NY. My guess is the new rules is just another way of taxing. Now you gotta pay 'the man' to get a license. Or pay $100 plus delivery. Tax, fees, permits, license, keep yelling yourself that we are a free country.

 

[Dennis59]

Hooked up the Big Tex dump trailer to get a load of 5/8 yesterday. When i got to the pit where i have bought for 30 years i was told by dispatch that MSHA prohibits anyone without a contractors license from being in the pit or buyIng rock. I maintain 1/4 mile gravel road. Anyone else heard about such nonsense?

I sure every pit has stories of someone showing up with a F150 and a 5' x 10" dump trailer and want if filled full with rock and get blamed for the issues it causes to the truck or on the road.

 

[stuckmotor]

Back in the seventies I used to drive my pickup into the local pit where an employee put all my truck could carry into the bed with a huge loader. I needed more over twenty years later and was told I had to get them from a local yard that sold landscape supplies. The loader driver at the pit had accidentally backed over a pickup and they were banned from going in there.

 

[ultrarunner]

Yep… I would pull up with my box trailer and the loader bucket was was much wider than my trailer long… the hood old days…

 

[stuckmotor]

It was mildly exciting to see how they'd drilled into the granite to blast it loose. One time somebody had a buffalo fenced in out there.

 

[MossRoad]

Yep… I would pull up with my box trailer and the loader bucket was was much wider than my trailer long… the hood old days…

At our local cement plant, where I pick up crushed limestone, gravel, etc., due to convenient close location, they have a large loader with a skilled operator. They don't mind dealing with small potatoes like myself. You just have to wait a few minutes while they feed the cement plant. But if you park the trailer just right, the loader driver will come flying over, scoop only into the corner of his bucket, then dump slowly right over your axles until you tell him to stop. A friendly wave and off he goes.

 

[Jstpssng]

When I was working for a landscaper years ago I was sent out one day to load loam for a customer. I was using a big pay loader with absolutely no brakes and he had a tiny trailer behind a car. I loaded the bucket, raised it and had him back under it: there was no way I’d try to drive up to the little trailer.

 

[stuckmotor]

When I was working for a landscaper years ago I was sent out one day to load loam for a customer. I was using a big pay loader with absolutely no brakes and he had a tiny trailer behind a car. I loaded the bucket, raised it and had him back under it: there was no way I’d try to drive up to the little trailer.

Good thinking.

 

[Dftodd]

Good thinking.

I've had a couple occasions where I've had to load or unload equipment that way.

Equipment was right at the top of the lifting capacity for our large forklift at the shop.

Scooped up the equipment so it just cleared the trailer and had the truck driver ease out from under it.

Reversed the process when we shipped it back out after the job was done.

 

[jyoutz]

Texans wouldn't stand for that. They'd turn the certificate into a target on a post.

There are no licensed contractors in Texas? What are you saying?

 

[jyoutz]

I sure every pit has stories of someone showing up with a F150 and a 5' x 10" dump trailer and want if filled full with rock and get blamed for the issues it causes to the truck or on the road.

Not to mention that both the F150 and trailer are over their weight limits.