A windpower first

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Last March, March 2022, in the USA lower 48 states, windpower generated more power, 2017 gigawatts, which was 19% of total power produced, than either coal or nuclear. Nuclear was just slightly less than wind and coial was at 17%. This has never happened before in the USA. To be clear, this happened for at least two reasons, there was lots of wind and nuclear power plants were producing less because of maintenance. However, this is a good harbinger of things to come.

There are many things that need to be done in order to make wind a larger producer of power. One major problem is power storage when the wind isn't blowing. Fortunately there are battery technologies that don't involve lithium that can be and are now being used for stationary energy storage. Though not as energy dense as lithium type batteries it doesn't matter because the batteries only take up space, they don't need to be hauled around. So the weight and size are not nearly as important as portable storage is. And less energy density does not necessarily mean less energy efficient.

As windpower supplies more and more of our power even less efficient methods of energy storage can still be used economically because there can often be spot surpluses of power available and instead of reducing power output of the windmills the less efficient method of power storage can be used.

This makes me happy. It will be better for our world to not burn fossil fuels. The burning and mining and processing of fossil fuels pollute our air and water. Windpower also does to a much lesser extent because of what it takes to make the windmills. And it is true that right now there is a pretty big problem disposing of the huge windmill blades that have reached their end of life and must be replaced. Some clever folks have figured out a way to use these still very strong blades in bridge construction. But that is really not going to be able to re-use all the discarded windmill blades.

So we still need to work on making windpower a less polluting energy producer but it is already much cleaner than oil or coal or natural gas. And we will as a nation benefit from cleaner and safer energy production.

Nuclear power is a whole 'nuther ball o' wax and even though I think it has its place now I also think it would be best to get rid of it just because of the waste problem. We here in USA are not dealing properly and honestly with the problem of storing the highly poisonous nuclear waste. It is not just the radioactivity either. The waste consists of materials which are extremely toxic in and of themselves and which will still be so even when the radioactivity of the materials have decayed considerably. For this and many other reasons that I do not want to get into discussing the drawbacks of nuclear power at this time.

Anyway, windpower produced very nearly one fifth of the power the lower 48 used in March. ONE FIFTH! That is truly impressive and a good thing for the nation. It bodes well for the coming generations of Americans.
Cheers,
Eric
 
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When will the cost of my electricity go down?:D:D
 
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For the record it was only for 1 day in March, March 29th. The headlines in the press are misleading. The real story is the second one down for April 14, 2022.

Today in Energy - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

Don't get me wrong, I am all for wind energy production. We have our land leased for wind and oil/gas production. There are solar production arrays popping around us in East Texas, so that is increasing as well.

There is still a long way to go before wind takes a top spot, as the story states:

"On a monthly basis, we have had less wind generation in the United States than natural gas-fired generation, coal-fired generation, or nuclear generation. We do not expect wind to surpass either coal-fired or nuclear generation for any month in 2022 or 2023, based on our most recent Short-Term Energy Outlook forecast."
 
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When are they gonna figure out what to do with the garbage?
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Or stop killing endangered/protected birds that a farmer would go to jail for?
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For the record it was only for 1 day in March, March 29th. The headlines in the press are misleading. The real story is the second one down for April 14, 2022.

Today in Energy - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

Don't get me wrong, I am all for wind energy production. We have our land leased for wind and oil/gas production. There are solar production arrays popping around us in East Texas, so that is increasing as well.

There is still a long way to go before wind takes a top spot, as the story states:

"On a monthly basis, we have had less wind generation in the United States than natural gas-fired generation, coal-fired generation, or nuclear generation. We do not expect wind to surpass either coal-fired or nuclear generation for any month in 2022 or 2023, based on our most recent Short-Term Energy Outlook forecast."
That was why I mentioned the other reasons for for high percentage. I did not intend to mislead. We still have a long way to go but this is a good sign.
Eric
 
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When are they gonna figure out what to do with the garbage?
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Or stop killing endangered/protected birds that a farmer would go to jail for?
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Burning fossil fuels kills way more birds per watt produced than windmills. And in my post I did bring up the problem of disposing of windmill blades and how they are not being re-used in any significant amount.
Eric
 
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Please post your scholarly source for that claim.
Actually I won't. I have looked this up more than once from several sources over the years. There is plenty of info available from universities et al. It will take little effort for anybody to look this up. Especially since the data has been available for a long time. And I just don't feel like it. If you don't believe me I don't care.
Eric
 
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Actually I won't. I have looked this up more than once from several sources over the years. There is plenty of info available from universities et al. It will take little effort for anybody to look this up. Especially since the data has been available for a long time. And I just don't feel like it. If you don't believe me I don't care.
Eric
Lol.
 
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Translated: he cant.
I got to stand next to one of these and the noise and visual pollution is considerable.
Theres the noise, the bird kills and fact that so much of the windmill is built offshore using foreign labor and fossil fuels tells me they‘re not the answer, they‘re just the answer being forced on us.
 
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I have posted before I worked on a wind farm 60 turbines, about a year before I retired. I did survey work and did a lot of construction layout. Just me driving a pickup burned hundred of gallons of gas. A mind boggling amount of materials were delivered and installed. All this burning thousands of gallons of gas and diesel.

My point is how long does it take for all this fossil being expended building a wind farm before it balances out? I tried to find this information but couldn’t and of course it varies by location.

Im not saying wind farms are bad or good, I just wonder what the net gain is on fossil fuels being expended is.
 
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I have posted before I worked on a wind farm 60 turbines, about a year before I retired. I did survey work and did a lot of construction layout. Just me driving a pickup burned hundred of gallons of gas. A mind boggling amount of materials were delivered and installed. All this burning thousands of gallons of gas and diesel.

My point is how long does it take for all this fossil being expended building a wind farm before it balances out? I tried to find this information but couldn’t and of course it varies by location.

Im not saying wind farms are bad or good, I just wonder what the net gain is on fossil fuels being expended is.
I think wind and solar both suffer significantly from the short lifespan of efficient production.
 
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Translated: he cant.
I got to stand next to one of these and the noise and visual pollution is considerable.
Theres the noise, the bird kills and fact that so much of the windmill is built offshore using foreign labor and fossil fuels tells me they‘re not the answer, they‘re just the answer being forced on us.
The talking points are always “overall windows kill more birds” never per megawatts produced when they fact check.
 
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Even the French aren’t aren’t afraid to use nuclear power 😉, so why are we? Modern nuke plants are safe and efficient and disposing of the waste is trivial, bury it in a deep hole in the desert. A square mile of desert could hold a thousand years of nuclear power plant waste. All of our aircraft carriers and most (all?) of our submarine fleet is nuclear. The tech is solid.
 
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Energy and drugs are the two largest problems in the world . I remember back in college that a little ditch weed was as close to harmless as driving a car . Both could kill you only if you severely abused them . Now a product the size of a grain of salt can kill a 300# man within minutes.

Energy is the single largest business in the world covering almost every aspect of life . We keep getting this non substantial alternative thing pushed down our throats all for someone’s agenda. As the gentleman above stated it takes large amounts of known energy to build and dispose of the clean energy. You can’t even research the truth because nobody can report it . Anybody ever look up mining Lithium?? Not good for anyone.

Ok rant over LOL ! Maybe some day the Aliens visiting Earth will deam us worthy of clean energy and show us the way . Carry on !
 
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Please post your scholarly source for that claim.
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Solar: Anywhere from about 1,000 birds a year, according to BrightSource, to 28,000 birds a year, according to an expert at the Center for Biological Diversity.

Wind: Between 140,000 and 328,000 birds a year in the contiguous United States, according to a December 2013 study published in the journal Biological Conservation. Taller turbines tend to take out more birds.

Oil and Gas: An estimated 500,000 to 1 million birds a year are killed in oil fields, the Bureau of Land Management said in a December 2012 memo.
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Coal: Huge numbers of birds, roughly 7.9 million, may be killed by coal, according to analysis by Benjamin K. Sovacool, director of the Danish Center for Energy Technologies. His estimate, however, included everything from mining to production and climate change, which together amounted to about five birds per gigawatt-hour of energy generated by coal.

Nuclear: About 330,000 birds, by Sovacool’s calculations.

 
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