Titan Subsoiler height: can my 3PH keep it above ground?

[Bullwinkle123]

Looking at this: https://www.palletforks.com/tractor...oint-tractor-subsoiler-attachment/191314.html
The user manual doesn't specify dimensions in the parts list, and the only photo with dimensions just says the top to bottom height is 52.25 inches.

I'm trying to figure out if I can mount this thing on my MX5400 and still be able to move it without the subsoiler being in the ground everywhere I drive.
If I look at the height of my lower arms on pin center with another attachment the lower arms are 27" (pin center) above the ground, and the top pin is 44 inches above ground (with the top link near shortest setting).

Anybody have any ideas?

I need to do some small amounts of field prep on previously worked but long unused ground, and nobody seems to have anything in stock to help with that. I'm looking at this as a 2022 desperate measure for some small garden work on previously worked but long unused ground (full of grape vines - mostly). I'll probably pass, but I'm still thinking about it. It doesn't even say if there's a shear bolt.

 

[jyoutz]

I bought this and it works great on my MX6000. It subsoils down to 17”. Order the 9 shank, 7’ model for your MX. I’m very pleased with this implement. It’s far better than a single shank subsoiler and the MX lifts it plenty high.

Fred Cain 9 Shank 3 Point Field Cultivator

This Field Cultivator is a good attachment to break new ground or to tear up the hard pan in the field. Free Shipping

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[Bullwinkle123]

I bought this and it works great on my MX6000. It subsoils down to 17”. Order the 9 shank, 7’ model for your MX. I’m very pleased with this implement. It’s far better than a single shank subsoiler and the MX lifts it plenty high.

Fred Cain 9 Shank 3 Point Field Cultivator

This Field Cultivator is a good attachment to break new ground or to tear up the hard pan in the field. Free Shipping

www.everythingattachments.com

Looks nice. Digs in on packed earth? The video mostly showed it in fully worked soil, the single pass over some existing grass wasn't compelling, but an actual user testimony can be Seemed decently made, and the ability to adjust/remove tines is nice.

 

[Vigo327]

One thing to keep in mind is that you probably have multiple top link holes on your tractor and there are 2 top link holes on the implement.. running the top link on the lowest hole of your tractor and the highest hole of the attachment will get you a whole bunch more vertical lift at the tip of that subsoiler. If you've got a hydraulic top link you could get it even higher. I suspect there is a way to make it work.


As far as the multi-tine spring loaded type.. If you're doing a large area that's almost certainly better even if it takes multiple passes, but if you ever intend to break roots or lift big rocks out of the ground i'd stick with the big subsoiler. Usually once you can get the curved tip lodged under something, a combination of working the 3pt up and driving forward will break small roots and be able to pop big rocks up. If you've got the patience you could potentially even use the subsoiler to remove tree stumps up to a point.

 

[Bullwinkle123]

If I were to go for the Fred Cain model, I'm wondering if I should go 7-shank with my MX5400. Would save some money too.

 

[jyoutz]

Looks nice. Digs in on packed earth? The video mostly showed it in fully worked soil, the single pass over some existing grass wasn't compelling, but an actual user testimony can be Seemed decently made, and the ability to adjust/remove tines is nice.

It will tear up hard ground and the springs prevents damage if it hits an unmovable obstruction. But if the ground is hard it won’t sink down the full depth on the first pass. It will do the job however pulled by the MX. EA ships free for the first 1000 miles. I am outside that range, but they shipped to the nearest FedEx depot to me for $90. I also received it fairly quickly after ordering. EA doesn’t make them; it ships from the factory in Kentucky.

 

[jyoutz]

If I were to go for the Fred Cain model, I'm wondering if I should go 7-shank with my MX5400. Would save some money too.

Get one wider than you wheel width is my recommendation. My wheels are set at 6’ so I bought the 7’ model. It does come with cat 1 pins. I bought cat 2 pins at TSC and converted them, but bushings will work also. You could buy a narrower one but you will be packing down a bit of loosened ground if you do that. The MX has plenty of power to pull this.

 

[jyoutz]

One thing to keep in mind is that you probably have multiple top link holes on your tractor and there are 2 top link holes on the implement.. running the top link on the lowest hole of your tractor and the highest hole of the attachment will get you a whole bunch more vertical lift at the tip of that subsoiler. If you've got a hydraulic top link you could get it even higher. I suspect there is a way to make it work.


As far as the multi-tine spring loaded type.. If you're doing a large area that's almost certainly better even if it takes multiple passes, but if you ever intend to break roots or lift big rocks out of the ground i'd stick with the big subsoiler. Usually once you can get the curved tip lodged under something, a combination of working the 3pt up and driving forward will break small roots and be able to pop big rocks up. If you've got the patience you could potentially even use the subsoiler to remove tree stumps up to a point.

I agree that the large single shank ripper would be better for tearing out stumps and boulders. But it would be slow and laborious to work a garden with that. At 17” depth the cultivator is perfect for breaking tiller hard pans and it will remove roots and rocks up to a pretty good size. And if bought wide enough to cover wheels it does a nice job of field plowing without the wheels packing down where you’ve already passed.

 

[Wyobuckaroo]

WOW.... That is some ripper tooth....

In our ground..... I pull a Heavy Hitch type sub soil shank full depth.. The shank being like a box blade ripper shank... I use it to make places for snow melt and run off more available to our berry bushes and fruit orchard....

I plan to build a homemade shank about the same size with a mole plow style foot on it to make better pathways in the ground for water than the sub soil shank leaves..

 

[Bullwinkle123]

I got the Fred Cain 9 shank field cultivator and it was just right. Pulled up rocks without choking or breaking, dug in at least a good foot, left some half decent furrows (not that I'm qualified to judge), dug up all those infernal concord grape roots, though I'm wondering now many of the chopped up pieces will try to grow again, hopefully a little baking in the sun will deter that and I'm carting away what I can. Anyway, it was just what the doctor ordered for my situation (previously worked New England soil, but not for some decades).

 

[jyoutz]

I got the Fred Cain 9 shank field cultivator and it was just right. Pulled up rocks without choking or breaking, dug in at least a good foot, left some half decent furrows (not that I'm qualified to judge), dug up all those infernal concord grape roots, though I'm wondering now many of the chopped up pieces will try to grow again, hopefully a little baking in the sun will deter that and I'm carting away what I can. Anyway, it was just what the doctor ordered for my situation (previously worked New England soil, but not for some decades).

I’m glad it worked for you. I was happy with it also for my uses.

 

[gabby]

Mfr. specs say you can pull it with a 25 hp tractor. I don't believe it. That's a big plow foot with a 1.25" blunt face on the shank. I think it's definitely a category 2 implement. You won't be able to run it deep.

 

[jyoutz]

Mfr. specs say you can pull it with a 25 hp tractor. I don't believe it. That's a big plow foot with a 1.25" blunt face on the shank. I think it's definitely a category 2 implement. You won't be able to run it deep.

The MX has a category 2 hitch.

 

[Bullwinkle123]

The MX has a category 2 hitch.

I figured gabby was talking about whether a 25HP tractor could pull it. My MX5400 had no trouble with it, rocks and all.

 

[JohnnyMX]

I have an MX5200 and Fred Cain 9 tine field cultivator. Was also torn between 7-9, but if I ever needed to take off the outer two, I'd at least have 2 spares. I haven't had any real issues with the tractor not moving it in unworked soil. I can say that you will go deeper on the second pass. I also have a subsoiler (TSC) and it does borderline drag the ground. I will have to try bottom hole on the tractor and see if I can adjust the top hole. It goes a lot deeper on the first pass, but if you have a ton of land to rip it is a single tine and you do go slower.

 

[Bullwinkle123]

I have an MX5200 and Fred Cain 9 tine field cultivator. Was also torn between 7-9, but if I ever needed to take off the outer two, I'd at least have 2 spares. I haven't had any real issues with the tractor not moving it in unworked soil. I can say that you will go deeper on the second pass. I also have a subsoiler (TSC) and it does borderline drag the ground. I will have to try bottom hole on the tractor and see if I can adjust the top hole. It goes a lot deeper on the first pass, but if you have a ton of land to rip it is a single tine and you do go slower.

Will be curious to hear about success raising the subsoiler, thanks for the info.

 

[jyoutz]

I have an MX5200 and Fred Cain 9 tine field cultivator. Was also torn between 7-9, but if I ever needed to take off the outer two, I'd at least have 2 spares. I haven't had any real issues with the tractor not moving it in unworked soil. I can say that you will go deeper on the second pass. I also have a subsoiler (TSC) and it does borderline drag the ground. I will have to try bottom hole on the tractor and see if I can adjust the top hole. It goes a lot deeper on the first pass, but if you have a ton of land to rip it is a single tine and you do go slower.

On my MX there are pins on the lift arm that can be adjusted. Use the bottom hole, then try different holes for the top link.

 

[JohnnyMX]

Yes, I have a few attachments that require the top hole and then some that don't work right until you move it. There is no such thing as "quick" when that gets involved. Most are at least ok in either unless it is something that sinks deep into the ground.

 

[RoninB4]

Looking at this: https://www.palletforks.com/tractor...oint-tractor-subsoiler-attachment/191314.html
The user manual doesn't specify dimensions in the parts list, and the only photo with dimensions just says the top to bottom height is 52.25 inches.

-I really dislike the kiss-n-tell type posts but with about any implement from Titan all dimensions should be considered a big "Maybe", that's why many dimensions aren't published. I worked at Titan as a contractor and my sole job was to create electronic files. This means CAD models, assemblies, and drawings. They had almost ZERO documentation for any of the implements, the ones they did have were fairly recent and not necessarily accurate either. My job was to receive parts and/or welded assemblies, measure them, and create CAD models/drawings. Often things would be different on the same model implement, either a varying component location, or an entirely different material thickness due to spot market purchasing. Does this matter? It certainly could. I asked if there was a "plus/minus" tolerance I could use to establish the "Standard" and was told I was to create it. That would have been fine but there was no way to determine what that should be, no paper sketches at all. The few fixtures that could/should ensure some sort of consistency were in bad shape and some welders didn't even use them. Sometimes structural components were omitted because there were NO drawings to refer to and everybody had to rely on memory from the last time they built one. I don't have a grudge nor is my post an intention to hurt their business. I left of my own choice due to the chaos and resistance to improve manufacturing methods. It was like pushing a rope up a ladder.

My post is to alert potential buyers that critical dimensions may/may not function due to their existing manufacturing methods and lack of dimensional standards. I don't like buying things that don't fit and these implements aren't cheap. I wouldn't regard their products as poorly made. I'd consider purchasing something from them, but I'd check the important dimensions at the dealer before I brought it home. I've been in machine shops and engineering for over 45 years. I hope they get their act together and wish them luck doing so.

 

[Mud2Money]

I have a dirt dog subsoiler like that Titan I use on my mt573. I use the cat 2. I run my top link in the low position. I’m have maybe 6-7” ground clearance when raised. With these you have to think about how deep it’s going. That’s why they don’t raise very high out of the ground. Mine is capable of 24” depth. I usually run it 10-16” deep for hard pan in my area.