Bad Dogs Bad Neighbor

[LS Tractor Owner]

I have seen / treated many patients shot with a .22, most did't make it if they were too far from the hospital. 22's go in and ricochet all over the place.

The last one that I transported was a lowlife that was stealing a motorcycle. The owners saw him and started pursuing him in a car. The owners firing a .22 at him while high speed down a city street. The guy stopped in a hospital parking lot, dropped the bike, and tried running towards the ER.

We had just cleared the ER and were about 4 blocks from the parking lot, so got there really quick. There was no blood anywhere, but he was "going out". We scooped him up and drove maybe the 1000' to the ER.

He was shot high in the left butt cheek... the entrance hole looked more like a pimple. When the initial X-rays were done, the bullet was up under his right collar bone..... zig-zagged all the way there. He died about 15 minutes later.

A .22 isn't going to stop someone in their tracks, but it will cause some damage, especially in the torso.

 

[LS Tractor Owner]

I sold an H&K .45 about 18 years ago.... I still have the receipt from the gun dealer I sold it to. I'll probably keep it until I'm no longer upright!

I still have the receipts for my 2 Bersa .380's from the initial purchase. I have a firm philosophy of covering my butt.

 

[NorTracNY]

Many years ago I worked with a company that supplied the optics for

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They examine the pin marking on the casing to identify the gun. It's basically a lower accuracy version of the micro stamping CA and NY are trying to force.

I will always remember my visit there because in their lobby, they had plaques which displayed the number of matches they had on their tools in different cities around the world. I forget whether is was the number of murder cases they helped or just the number of guns they connected to a casing. I just saw it as a listing of all the cities that you don't want to visit!

 

[Dftodd]

I just saw it as a listing of all the cities that you don't want to visit!

You gonna help us out and let us know which cities to avoid for vacations???

I had a buddy that watched me very closely when we visited restaurants in town with a group of friends. He also waited till I ordered and took his cue from that. If I avoided ordering food and just got a bottle of beer, he would as well.

At the time I worked for an alarm company installing and servicing security systems, fire alarms, and CCTV systems. We handled about 95% of the restaurants and eateries in the area.

He knew if I didn't eat there, then there was a really darn good reason for it.

 

[TimberFarm]

I didn't read all 22 pages, but if dogs attack you on their property you can't do much. If dogs attack you on public property or your own property, goodbye dogs.

Millville police kill dogs attacking duo fishing along city trail

MILLVILLE — Police officers were forced to fatally shoot a pair of dogs that attacked a father and son during their fishing trip at the Maurice River Walking Trail on

pressofatlanticcity.com

 

[jaxs]

I think I read all this thread and don't recall anyone telling us the SS&S gold standard for dealing with unwelcome dogs on your property. Shoot-shovel & shut up.

 

[2LaneCruzer]

I have seen / treated many patients shot with a .22, most did't make it if they were too far from the hospital. 22's go in and ricochet all over the place.

The last one that I transported was a lowlife that was stealing a motorcycle. The owners saw him and started pursuing him in a car. The owners firing a .22 at him while high speed down a city street. The guy stopped in a hospital parking lot, dropped the bike, and tried running towards the ER.

We had just cleared the ER and were about 4 blocks from the parking lot, so got there really quick. There was no blood anywhere, but he was "going out". We scooped him up and drove maybe the 1000' to the ER.

He was shot high in the left butt cheek... the entrance hole looked more like a pimple. When the initial X-rays were done, the bullet was up under his right collar bone..... zig-zagged all the way there. He died about 15 minutes later.

A .22 isn't going to stop someone in their tracks, but it will cause some damage, especially in the torso.

Was watching a TV show with similar results. Seems this bully was slapping this small guy around, a guy who happened to be a world class pistol shot. He retrieved his pistol and shot the bully in the shoulder, to stop...not kill...him, but the ricochet went down into his lung and heart area, killing him.

I don't know if it's true today, but I once read that more civilians die from .22 caliber weapons than any other.

 

[cqaigy2]

Was watching a TV show with similar results. Seems this bully was slapping this small guy around, a guy who happened to be a world class pistol shot. He retrieved his pistol and shot the bully in the shoulder, to stop...not kill...him, but the ricochet went down into his lung and heart area, killing him.

I don't know if it's true today, but I once read that more civilians die from .22 caliber weapons than any other.

Yes probably a poor decision, being as he left to retrieve his pistol, so not being slapped around anymore. Should have driven off.

 

[2LaneCruzer]

Yes probably a poor decision, being as he left to retrieve his pistol, so not being slapped around anymore. Should have driven off.

Yeah, I agree. It's probably always best if you can avoid confrontations, especially physical ones.

 

[jaxs]

I'm not an authority on human gunshot wounds but have dealt a fair number to animals and never noticed the ricochet effect. As horrific as it sounds, ricocheting off a bone would be much preferred to smashing the bone, mushrooming so that projectile is more damaging to soft tissue. Anyone that has fired many 22 rimfires is familiar with the distinct sound made by projectiles after ricocheting.
A 22 cal fired from centerfire 22-250 often explode on impact instead of ricocheting and even when it ricochets, the muzzle blast and sound from impact drown's the sound of projectile traveling. Manys a savvy gun owners have relied on their little 22 rimfire to frighten the bejeebers out of would be trespassers and burglars when they had far heavier artillery in the closet. The larger number of 22 rimfire wounds when compared to others is because more are fired at people than others and lack of respect results in more accidental shootings. Eventhough first responders and emergency rooms see more 22 rimfire wounds,I think they will say most other gunshots are far more serious.
More than many are interested in hearing and less romantic than lore but there you are.