Yesterday. Would you buy and EV?

[Gale Hawkins]

If people wait for EVs to get cheaper it may kill some ICE sales as well.

Stellantis Warns of Car Market Collapse If EVs Don’t Get Cheaper

One of Europe’s biggest automakers warned after a landmark deal to phase out combustion engines that the industry is doomed unless electric vehicles get less expensive.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[ultrarunner]

Do you think it is a regional thing...?

EV are ubiquitous here in the SF Bay Area...

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Do you think it is a regional thing...?

EV are ubiquitous here in the SF Bay Area...

More of a redneck thing perhaps

We prefer them there pick them up trucks.

Seriously major dealerships are very anti-ev in this area and many of them that did carry them have dropped even service for them I know the GM place that was selling Volts did not take on the Bolt line. Many Nissan dealerships have dropped Leaf support.

 

[ultrarunner]

Interesting they could opt out of a model or worse decline to service a vehicle they did new

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Interesting they could opt out of a model or worse decline to service a vehicle they did new

2022 was predicted the year Nissan would be in bankruptcy but that was before the Pandemic jackpot shot a lot of cash plus Japan loaned them like $2 billion so they could make cheap 84 month car loans to high risk customers.

Nissan, Ford, GM etc need to dump majority of dealerships.

 

[Fixastuff]

I love these situations where a person who owns something and likes it knows less than the people that have never owned or even driven one

 

[milkman636]

I’m looking for a replacement for my 15 year old truck and have seriously been following the lightening as more specimens hit the road. It looks like a great vehicle, except for range and charging. I watched a tow test with a 6000 lb camper and the tester had to stop for charging after 86 miles because he was using 1% of the extended range battery for each mile he towed. After 86 miles he had 15% battery left and couldn’t make the next charging station. He had to pull over for an hour of high speed charging, at a cost of $33, to get back home. The Ford home charger that could provide an 80% charge to the 131 kW battery in 5-6 hours requires a dedicated 80 amp 240v circuit in my garage. Yikes, that draws some power. Just imagine every garage in my neighborhood charging 2 family cars each night at 80 amps a piece. And houses like mine have 4 cars on the road each day. That’s gonna be a problem.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

I’m looking for a replacement for my 15 year old truck and have seriously been following the lightening as more specimens hit the road. It looks like a great vehicle, except for range and charging. I watched a tow test with a 6000 lb camper and the tester had to stop for charging after 86 miles because he was using 1% of the extended range battery for each mile he towed. After 86 miles he had 15% battery left and couldn’t make the next charging station. He had to pull over for an hour of high speed charging, at a cost of $33, to get back home. The Ford home charger that could provide an 80% charge to the 131 kW battery in 5-6 hours requires a dedicated 80 amp 240v circuit in my garage. Yikes, that draws some power. Just imagine every garage in my neighborhood charging 2 family cars each night at 80 amps a piece. And houses like mine have 4 cars on the road each day. That’s gonna be a problem.

I expect we are 5 to 10 years out from being able to do what you're talking about in mass.

The max draw of our Leaf 6.6 amp onboard charger is 26 amps and recharge from zero to 100% about 10 hours with the new 150 mile range 40 kWh battery pack. It charges on a 240v 40 amp breaker.

Tesla is the only EV maker with a built out heavy duty charging system across the United States but I expect it will be 2025 before someone can get their hands on a cyber truck even if interested and with the cash.

Barring accidents etc the Leaf should be good for 100K miles or 2027+. Assuming the wife retires in 3 years and the kids are living 500 - 1500 miles from our home we may get a new EV for tripping. The Leaf could be just fine for local 30 to 40 mi trips probably for another 10 years or so especially if we part out the 2015 Leaf and store those parts.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

This lady bought her used 2015 about the time we got our 2016. You will figure out she is not a geek. Note her 120 volt EV charging setup using the OEM cable. She didn't like pay a huge price to be able to charge a home.

 

[Doughknob]

Yep, it's all a scam. It's targeted towards people who are worried about what other people think of them.

I still don’t know what is targeted. Obviously other people do not either.

 

[lman]

Why is this thread still open and others get closed with nonsense like this?

 

[bnold]

I love these situations where a person who owns something and likes it knows less than the people that have never owned or even driven one

Amazing isn’t it?

 

[Muhammad]

So, back to EV tractors...

I doubt EV tractors will ever make much sense. The massive battery size needed carries with it a substantial carbon footprint and cost. With tier 4 final reducing diesel emissions so drastically, the impetus for change just isn't going to be there anytime soon. Plus let me know when tractor guys wake up and like to change.

Maybe eventually battery power for ZTRs or lawn and garden tractors will be the norm when battery tech and production efficiency advance much further.

 

[fatjay]

So apparently some of the massive mining dump trucks are now battery powered now. And have 14 hour run time. Which caught me as a surprise. Which comes as a surprise to me, I'm amazed that they could run that long.

World's first 120-ton electric mining dump truck equipped with CATL batteries successfully rolls off production line

On June 23, the world's first 120-ton electric mining dump truck with AC drive equipped with CATL batteries successfully rolled off the production line at Xiangtan Electric Manufacturing Co. Ltd. (XEMC) and is scheduled to be put into trial operation in mines in July. This product will be used...

www.catl.com

 

[Gale Hawkins]

So apparently some of the massive mining dump trucks are now battery powered now. And have 14 hour run time. Which caught me as a surprise. Which comes as a surprise to me, I'm amazed that they could run that long.

World's first 120-ton electric mining dump truck equipped with CATL batteries successfully rolls off production line

On June 23, the world's first 120-ton electric mining dump truck with AC drive equipped with CATL batteries successfully rolled off the production line at Xiangtan Electric Manufacturing Co. Ltd. (XEMC) and is scheduled to be put into trial operation in mines in July. This product will be used...

www.catl.com

That is one impressive EV.

 

[Hay Dude]

That is one impressive EV.

Thank goodness for China!
We will need them from heretofore.
They will be making just about everything for us since we don’t make much anything here anymore.

 

[Citydude]

So apparently some of the massive mining dump trucks are now battery powered now. And have 14 hour run time. Which caught me as a surprise. Which comes as a surprise to me, I'm amazed that they could run that long.

World's first 120-ton electric mining dump truck equipped with CATL batteries successfully rolls off production line

On June 23, the world's first 120-ton electric mining dump truck with AC drive equipped with CATL batteries successfully rolled off the production line at Xiangtan Electric Manufacturing Co. Ltd. (XEMC) and is scheduled to be put into trial operation in mines in July. This product will be used...

www.catl.com

Thats impressive. When they come up with 400 ton haul trucks that we use here, it would be a game changer.

 

[Citydude]

My son bought a battery powered self propelled lawn mower. Said he's sick of gas cans and oil changes.

Makes sense to me when I think of how much gas my ZT uses and all the small engines I have to maintain.

But 40-60K for a car that can't drive across our state without a charge? Nah.

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

A comparable electric ZTR for me is about $27k. Like I’ve told my son, I don’t doubt the savings after acquisition, but the cost of entry is so high, the savings are moot.

 

[RoyJackson]

A comparable electric ZTR for me is about $27k. Like I’ve told my son, I don’t doubt the savings after acquisition, but the cost of entry is so high, the savings are moot.

IIRC, the EGO ZTR costs around $7K. I haven't seen any other manufacturers selling them...where'd you get the $27K price?