Latest grab by auto manufactures

   / Latest grab by auto manufactures #311  
Was that the storm where those clowns were throwing rocks at the non-union power company workers that drove 1500 miles to save people’s lives & property?
That was the storm, I never saw any of that other than what the media reported, but we were in NJ and that was reported to have happened in New York, I have rarely ever had a problem in all my travels occasionally you will have that one that is a butthole 365 days a year, I don't argue I just drive off , it's hard to help someone who just won't have it. We were finishing up on a hurricane in S Carolina and had 3 or 4 broke primary poles in this one neighborhood that has slipped thru the cracks and everything was fine until we got the power on and needed to replace one service pole that was broken and the man came out and said we couldn't use his drive to set the pole as it fed his neighbor and he proceeded to tell me he planned on keeping his neighbor without lights as long as he could , well once I walked back up the drive to the main road there was about 10 people from the neighborhood telling me what a butthole the guy was and the guy who needed power said he appreciated us trying to get his lights on, so i decided we weren't leaving without getting him some lights, so we climbed two pine trees and tied collar ropes in them and stretched the man a new house service attached to the pine trees and it pissed the other neighbor off , he ranted and raved and I told him he could take it up with Santee Cooper as we were going back to Florida in the morning. ;) I never have understood going out of your way to hurt your neighbor, even if you don't get along don't go out of your way to do him harm, some people you just gotta love from a distance.
 
   / Latest grab by auto manufactures #312  
While diving in italy on a motorcycle we used no maps. There is the sun. Its in that direction, so the road we are on is parallel to the main road. Okay, we could always get back. Never used a GPS on the 1000s of miles riden in the forest lands, and BLM lands of the US.
In 2012 we toured the Austrian and Italian Alps by MC. Our leader rented a European GPS. I brought up the rear and checked our route each morning on detailed maps. And each day I'd watch the leader drive past our turnoffs. And then we'd pull onto the shoulder to try to figure out where we went wrong. He followed that GPS up some small side roads and we ended up driving up the sidewalk to an elementary school. Those kids had a nice laugh at us.

We once had a lady going from Vernon, NJ to Paterson. Her GPS took her on a side road, it turned into a dirt road, and then an old logging/mining trail. It's passable by ATV or a good Jeep, but not a Honda Accord. She spent the night there and her car was badly damage being towed out by a heavy towtruck.

And I've had youth who used their cell phone as a GPS get fully lost when the lost their signal.

I can do without all the bells and whistles. Just more to go wrong. A stick-on-windshield GPS is a nice tool to have in addition to good maps. Our newest car is a 2011 ad it's fanciest features are a bluetooth radio with USB and headphone inputs for a MP3 player or flash drive music inputs. And my '06 Jeep has rollup windows and no CC.
 
   / Latest grab by auto manufactures #313  
And I've had youth who used their cell phone as a GPS get fully lost when the lost their signal
That doesn't even make sense, as all they need is a satellite for it to work.
 
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That doesn't even make sense, as all they need is a satellite for it to work.
Cell phones don't use satellite GPS. They triangulate off the cell phone towers. No signal, no GPS. Same principle is used for 911 to determine a cell phone's location.
 
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Cell phones don't use satellite GPS. They triangulate off the cell phone towers. No signal, no GPS. Same principle is used for 911 to determine a cell phone's location.
Cell phones do use satellite GPS. If you have the maps loaded already, they need no cell signal.

 
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Cell phones do use satellite GPS. If you have the maps loaded already, they need no cell signal.

Yeah but the paper atlas is better :ROFLMAO:
 
   / Latest grab by auto manufactures #319  
I have a simple solution. Keep what I have and don't buy any more new ones. They already have too much electronics and fluff in them for my liking anyway.
 
   / Latest grab by auto manufactures #320  
I have been thinking about this part of your statement for days and think you are being very short sighted on things.
There may actually be things that might not be cost effective to leave out from the companies perspective but you are still paying more to have it in there even if you can’t use it.
Then look at the long term and the cost of said thing, once that company starts actually installing more the demand goes up, the cost goes up. Does the company then start leaving it out? No they simply raise the price of thier product more to cover it even for those not using it to avoid any possible loss.

If anyone thinks they are getting an unusable feature for free hidden in thier car or truck, I have some swamp land and a bunch of bridges I can sell you for very fair prices. Cash only!

Janet

I just have a couple observations to add to this. You are correct on something like an engine or transmission. However, there are other things at play. Economies of scale are a real thing. Lets use a headlight switch in a Ford Mustang as an example. Every automobile has to have a headlight switch.

There were 52,414 Ford Mustangs sold in 2021. So we will assume the same number of headlight switches and that these switches are only used for the mustangs.

There can be multiple options:
1. Manual headlights no fog lights
2. Manual headlights with fog lights
3. Auto headlights no fog lights
4. Auto headlights with fog lights

Automated tooling is very expensive. I would estimate that tooling for each switch *could* be in the $200,000 range, regardless of options.

Assume 80% of the cars use all options. 41,931 cars. $4.77 per switch for tooling.
Assume there is $5 worth of material and labor in each. $9.77 each switch total.

Now assume only 5% use the manual option with no fog light. That makes $76.31 in tooling per switch.
Even if the cost of labor and material was half for this switch, they would still cost Ford $78.81 each.

In this situation it would make more sense to use the "more expensive" all option switch in all vehicles and not enable the software on the lesser ones. But it would probably still be cheaper not to add the fog lights themselves to all cars that don't need them. Not taking into account of economies of scale on the bumper openings for the lights... There are more variables at play for example some of the tooling could probably be used on all 4 options etc. Also the inventory carrying cost of holding 2 options and slowing product turnover. But this illustrates that there is more beneath the surface than some expect.
 

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