Liquid in tires

[jyoutz]

Yep, water and some type of no freeze around here too. Overall better by far in the long run. If you have a flat with beet juice, have to park it a few months and save up for fuel because the Joose be so high. I mean, you looking down on a cat's back with that. I can fill an Olympic swimming pool with what they spend on beet juice. I can beat that. At the end of ten years, dollar for dollar, against work done, water is the winner. Every house has water. Some old ladies have canned beets.

There is a new product option now besides beet juice. It’s called bio ballast.

 

[ROUSTABOUT]

There is a new product option now besides beet juice. It’s called bio ballast.

Is it cheaper than water?

 

[Torvy]

Is it cheaper than water?

I understand you using water due to price. The OP needs to know, though, that there are 2 reasons to use other options.

1) Weight - beet juice (made from sugar beets, not the kind you buy at Wal-Mart) and similar products weigh more than water, so you get more weight in the same space. For safety purposes, more weight is usually better.

2) Anti-freeze - Texas is a big place. There are parts that get much colder than we do up the the NE corner. Water frozen in your tires can damage them to the point they need replacing. Tires are more expensive than beet juice (or alternatives).

The dealerships with whom I have spoken around here tend to use anti-freeze/washer fluid mixed with the water.

 

[LouNY]

Have your liquid,
I'll stick to iron;

to each his own.

 

[jyoutz]

Is it cheaper than water?

No, but water turns solid in the winter where I live.

 

[ROUSTABOUT]

No, but water turns solid in the winter where I live.

Thats where anti freeze helps.

 

[jigs_n_fixtures]

If you add your LOCATION to your T-B-N PROFILE, so it shows with every post your author, you will receive responses germane to your operating conditions.


1. Click on your "illuminated" screen name in upper right corner.

2. Click on SETTINGS in drop down box.

3. On left side of screen, click on ACCOUNT DETAILS.

4. Scroll down to LOCATION.

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I’m pretty bright, but I worked for part of “them”, writing computer code, and there were folks wandering around who made me feel stupid. Dating myself here, but: “The only secure data, is the data on the floppy in your pocket. And, by next week somebody will figure out how to read that.”

You might be able to defeat advertising software. But, if you use the internet at all “Them” know just about everything about you that they want too.

 

[LouNY]

I tend to find it somewhat humorous some people are so paranoid about letting information out about themselves, when so much info is all ready available if anyone cares to search just a bit.
They are hesitant to put down information even about what state they live in.
When back in the ma bell time almost everyone had a listed phone number that was in the book, that everyone else got.
It had your name road address and phone number. Then on top of that you could order a special phone book sorted by address or phone number.
And then just look at your states public information on the GIS system, your name, the address of the tax bill, the physical location of the plat or lot,
how much the taxes are and when you paid them. Then add in goggle street view if you live close to the road, if not the satellite view is fairly detailed.

But to each his own, I don't worry about but others do.

 

[Henro]

No argument there, but: how could you do that anyway? You can't get the valve at the top of the bubble of air inside to let it out, can you?

You take the tire off, lay it on the ground, and fill it completely while it is laying on its side. This never occurred to me, but read a post here a while back where apparently this was done by someone who did not understand filling should not be 100 percent.

If there is a will, there is a way...LOL

 

[SmallChange]

Yes, but, even if you lay it on its side, the valve isn't right on a sidewall. It's somewhat toward the hub.

If there's a will, there's a way, yes -- I'd mount the tire on the rim submerged in a swimming pool....

 

[Cougsfan]

I run tubes. If it don't have tubes, I put tubes in.

Why? When you get a puncture, you get to have the joy of dismantling the tire to patch the tube, rather than just taking a few minutes to put in a plug. And with filled tires, the dismantling operation is even far more fun! Another nice thing about filled tubeless tires is that if you do have a puncture, it is really easy to find the hole.

 

[ROUSTABOUT]

Why? When you get a puncture, you get to have the joy of dismantling the tire to patch the tube, rather than just taking a few minutes to put in a plug. And with filled tires, the dismantling operation is even far more fun! Another nice thing about filled tubeless tires is that if you do have a puncture, it is really easy to find the hole.

And then you're on the look out for new rims because yours are rusted out. One of my rigs is a 58 model, still original rims. We run 6 tractors, maybe 3 flats on big rear wheels over 20 years. Lot of front flats, even moreso, but they don't sting as bad.

 

[John_Mc]

At the end of ten years, dollar for dollar, against work done, water is the winner.

Is it cheaper than water?

Both Bioballast and Rim Guard are significantly heavier than water

 

[ROUSTABOUT]

Both Bioballast and Rim Guard are significantly heavier than water

And significantly more expensive. We build a HD belly pan with 3x6 tubing and 3/8 plate. Covers the extra weight, plus added protection. Debated filling square tubes with lead. I don't quite have enough yet, but I'm close.

 

[John_Mc]

And significantly more expensive. We build a HD belly pan with 3x6 tubing and 3/8 plate. Covers the extra weight, plus added protection.

Already have the belly pan (I forget if we used 3/8" or 1/2") plus the weight of the backhoe subframe the belly pan is mounted to, a heavil built grill guard, limb risers and FOPS... and still filled reae tires with CaCl (no one was selling Rim Guard or anything like that in my area when I bought this tractor).

I've not met anyone in my area who uses plain water (freezing is a problem), or even water with antifreeze.

 

[jyoutz]

Thats where anti freeze helps.

A 50/50 mix of antifreeze in tractor tires isn’t cheap either.

 

[John_Mc]

A 50/50 mix of antifreeze in tractor tires isn’t cheap either.

Not to mention it's toxic to animals (and the taste is highly attractive to them). Even the RV/Marine antifreeze which is often referred to as "nontoxic" is not really nontoxic - it's just less toxic than regular automotive antifreeze.

 

[ROUSTABOUT]

Already have the belly pan (I forget if we used 3/8" or 1/2") plus the weight of the backhoe subframe the belly pan is mounted to, a heavil built grill guard, limb risers and FOPS... and still filled reae tires with CaCl (no one was selling Rim Guard or anything like that in my area when I bought this tractor).

I've not met anyone in my area who uses plain water (freezing is a problem), or even water with antifreeze.

Never seen anything but water and no freeze in tires here. A few people grow beets in their gardens, but that's it. Water is plentiful though. Alcohol or anti freeze is readily available. I've always fixed my own flats. Put tires on my vehicles. I have used a tire shop when out of town and in a bind.

 

[ROUSTABOUT]

A 50/50 mix of antifreeze in tractor tires isn’t cheap either.

We put maybe two gallons in a 16.9-38 tire. It almost got down to freezing once when ize a kid. Just kidding, I've seen single digit negatives a few times here. -90 I have seen twice, but not here.

 

[Cougsfan]

And then you're on the look out for new rims because yours are rusted out. One of my rigs is a 58 model, still original rims. We run 6 tractors, maybe 3 flats on big rear wheels over 20 years. Lot of front flats, even moreso, but they don't sting as bad.

Perhaps I am wrong, bit I am not aware of many rust problems in tubeless tire and rim setups using beetjuice or windshield wiper fluid or even water. The way I understand it is that it takes O2 to cause rust inside a tubeless rim and unless you frequently change the air in your tires there is a very limited quantity of O2 available to form a dangerous amount of rust.

I have a 1957 model tractor that has tubed tires and spent it's life with Calcium chloride filled tubed tires (That was your only choice back then). It never had a flat since I bought it in 1985. By the year 2015 the OEM rims were indeed shot because of rust around the beads. Probably from the salt of previous leaks, or residual salt from original filling. But to my pleasant surprise, replacing the rims was not all that hard or expensive. But to my unpleasant surprise, I was kind of forced to put the old calcium chloride back inside new tubes and rim because the tire shop that I went to said they had no way to dispose of the calcium chloride. So who ever owns my tractor in the year 2075 may have to replace the rims.

I agree that flats seem to occur on the front more often than the rear, but I guess I'd still rather fix a filled tubeless rear tire over a filled tube rear tire, even if I have to replace a rim every 50 years or so. In the end either way will work just fine, take your choice.