Hydraulic coupler advice

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I'm getting a 3rd function kit and some attachments and was wondering what is the best coupler to go with? Seems like the flat face couples always come as an option for attachments for some extra $$$. Are they worth the extra money?
 
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I went with the same AG style connectors that were already on the tractor being they have always worked just fine... Didn't see any need to pay extra for the flat face connectors & then have 2 different connector types.

It also made it easier to use some of our attachment on the 3PT as well as the FEL.
 
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Stay with brand and type already used on tractor (FEL?) ....
Hmm. I am honestly new to all of this. Are you saying use the same attachment that comes with the 3rd function kit?
 
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So, I believe WranglerX is say to keep everything uniform stay with the same type of couplers that are already on your tractor; which as I stated above, is what I did when adding the 3rd function diverter valve to our machine. Keeping the connector style consistent just makes things easier IMO.

I'm not familiar with your particular tractor... but most tractors use the AG style hydraulic couplers.

They look like the ones below...
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Hmm. I am honestly new to all of this. Are you saying use the same attachment that comes with the 3rd function kit?
Attachment = implement. The flat faced connectors are typically used on skid steers, he is saying stick to what came with your tractor, they will match any implements that are for tractors.
 
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Attachment = implement. The flat faced connectors are typically used on skid steers, he is saying stick to what came with your tractor, they will match any implements that are for tractors.
Got it. I am told the Kioti 3rd function kit comes with Ag style or Pioneer style couplers. But I see a good number of videos that say flat face are easier to keep clean and easier to connect/disconnect.

Maybe ordering the attachments with flat face and then getting flat face to pioneer adapters might be one way to go? That way if I buy an implement that already has pioneer couplers I will still have the ability to hook them out by taking off the adapters.

I don't mind paying the extra if it makes things easier and cleaner. Just like I can't wait to get rid of my turnbuckles for the stabilizers and get some euro style quick hitches.
 
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I've been out here for 40+ years. Two tractors. Both with Ag style couplers. Forty years and not a moments problems.

In my years with the tractors - I've looked at a whole lot of various implements. If they are made for a tractor - you can be almost 100% sure - they will come with an Ag style coupler.
 
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I've been out here for 40+ years. Two tractors. Both with Ag style couplers. Forty years and not a moments problems.

In my years with the tractors - I've looked at a whole lot of various implements. If they are made for a tractor - you can be almost 100% sure - they will come with an Ag style coupler.
I guess if I also owned a skid steer and wanted to swap implements between the two then flat face might be the way to go from the start. I hear your argument and will probably go that route.
 
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Several of my attachments came with FF couplers and I have standardized everything to that. I like them better than AG couplers because FF couplers are easier to keep clean and leak less when disconnecting. AG couplers are easier to crack to relieve pressure if you store you implement in the sun. To me FF couplers are better.

It's all personal preference, do whatever floats your boat.
 
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Several of my attachments came with FF couplers and I have standardized everything to that. I like them better than AG couplers because FF couplers are easier to keep clean and leak less when disconnecting. AG couplers are easier to crack to relieve pressure if you store you implement in the sun. To me FF couplers are better.

It's all personal preference, do whatever floats your boat.
I'm getting that. Very few questions I post here seem to have an answer everyone agrees with. :)
 
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You get varying answers because most every-bodies situation is somewhat unique.
 
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FWIW I have pioneer-style couplers everywhere on the tractor but the 3rd function, which is flat face. Haven't found any downsides to having a mix of connectors, though the flat face are definitely harder to bleed/connect if there's pressure in the line.
 
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To keep the couplers clean when not in use, it seems to be fairly conventional to use one male and one female on the valve side and attachment side. The intimacy keeps dirt out when 3rd function is disconnected.
 
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The only way FF couplers are easier to connect is if you get the ones designed to connect under pressure.

If you dont....there is no way to bleed residual pressure without loosening fittings.

With AG type or similar.....you can always tap the poppet to bleed fluid. Way easier than FF couplers that are NOT connect under pressure design
 
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The only way FF couplers are easier to connect is if you get the ones designed to connect under pressure.

If you dont....there is no way to bleed residual pressure without loosening fittings.

With AG type or similar.....you can always tap the poppet to bleed fluid. Way easier than FF couplers that are NOT connect under pressure design
How do you know if FF couplers are designed to connect under pressure?
 
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As mentioned above, it's really an individual's choice as to what works best for their particular use.

In my case, I bought a flail mower and paid extra for the FF's. I heard they were supposed to be better for easy attachment and to keep clean. I spent a bunch more money to convert two tractors and 3 other implements to FF's.

After a couple of years, I went back to the Pioneer/ag type connectors. The FF's were easier to keep clean and didn't leak as much but they were a bear to connect under pressure. As others have said, there is no way to bleed off pressure without loosening the fitting.

I use male AG's on the implements and females on the tractors. The pressure can be relieved on the female side by operating the valves on the tractor. The pressure on the male AG's is easy to relieve by tapping the ball end on a block of wood.

To make it even easier to work with the AG's, I made up this simple tool from a cheap Harbor Freight welding clamp:


I used an angle grinder to open the jaws a bit to fit the grooves on the Pioneer AG's.

Use what you like but for me anyway, I never found the FF's to be any easier to work with than the AG's.
 
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It seems that dirt is the main point of concern with ag type couplers. Would using coupler fittings of opposite gender and then connecting them when the attachment is removed from the FEL eliminate the dirt issue?
 
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How do you know if FF couplers are designed to connect under pressure?
Should be in the description of where ever you buy them.

OTherwise it would be researching the manufacture and part number if you have a fitting in your hand and have no idea.

It seems that dirt is the main point of concern with ag type couplers. Would using coupler fittings of opposite gender and then connecting them when the attachment is removed from the FEL eliminate the dirt issue?
Exactly what I do on the front loader. I choose to go with 7241-b couplers. Mainly because I already had quite a few in 1/4" size. Because thats what I always ran on my meyer plows, and thats what napa always carried, and so I can also put the plow on the tractor if desired.
 
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It seems that dirt is the main point of concern with ag type couplers. Would using coupler fittings of opposite gender and then connecting them when the attachment is removed from the FEL eliminate the dirt issue?
Rubber caps are available for the AG's. If used properly, dirt isn't an issue.

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