California Targets Private Property With Latest Water Well Fees, Charges: Report

[5030]

More and more municipalities are having to stick a straw into Lake Michigan to get water instead of ground water. There is only so much water to go around.

Isn't there a law or ordinance of some sort that was agreed to between all the states and Canada that surround the Great Lakes that you had to be within so many miles of the shores to extract water? I seem to remember reading somewhere that some city near the shore but not AT the shore of Lake Michigan (or Superior) want to tap into it and had to get permission from all the members of the Great Lakes Compact?

Big issue with Lake Erie (which is nearby) with the algae blooms in the summer (now). It's all the N runoff going into the rivers that feed the lake. Stuff is nasty and grows every summer now. I know Toledo has a drinking water advisory posted for not drinking the water. Lake Erie is the shallowest of the lakes so it warms more in the summer and that promotes the algae growth. Big push here to limit N use by farmers but I don't see that happening. What the government in the Netherlands' is attempting and the farmers there are very justifiably upset.

 

[5030]

I’m pretty sure we could figure it out.

I've read lots of different theories including aliens visiting, they all sound good but the fact remains, we will never know for sure because none of those people are around to substantiate any of the theories.

 

[ruffdog]

Isn't there a law or ordinance of some sort that was agreed to between all the states and Canada that surround the Great Lakes that you had to be within so many miles of the shores to extract water? I seem to remember reading somewhere that some city near the shore but not AT the shore of Lake Michigan (or Superior) want to tap into it and had to get permission from all the members of the Great Lakes Compact?

The Great Lakes Compact is only good if everyone follows the pact.....they don't. In the case of Wisconsin, the Foxconn deal was a major concern for the pact members. Read:

Wisconsin Judge Upholds Foxconn Decision, Undermining the ‘Compact’ Designed to Prevent Great Lakes Diversions - FLOW

 

[ponytug]

I guess my one burning but never answered question is.. How did an ancient civilization manage to stack all those blocks that weighted literally thousands of pounds, so high and place them so precisely with no apparent mechanical means at all and cut the blocks with such precision. I know scientists and archaeologists have tried to duplicate the cutting with period tools and failed miserably.

Why I lean towards they had 'outside' help as in outside the universe, but then if they did, why aren't those 'aliens' here today? Or maybe they are and we don't realize it.

I think that you are a little behind the current state of knowledge here; people have reproduced the large flat blocks, and moved them long distances with man power. Some of the stone working techniques appear to be similar to what was done in pre-Colombian societies.

Once you started reading in detail about the Egyptians, it becomes apparent that precision was a valued commodity and routinely applied to many objects.

All the best,

Peter

 

[ponytug]

I’m pretty sure we could figure it out. The archeologist just recently figured out the purpose of the thousands of round rocks they kept finding at Stonehenge.. They were ball baearings which ran in oak tracks, from the river where they were landed to the site. They have known about the round rocks for a couple of centuries. Sometimes it takes someone from an outside specialty to look at it for a minute.

I was with my folks visiting one of he Anasazi sites in Arizona. The Park Service guide, was saying it was mystery how they ran the canals so far, and kept them level. Dad looked at me, and said you start high, crowd uphill as you go, and then drop at the end. He was hydrologist, who designed canals. Only difference between ancients and modern methods is we now crown uphill in terrain modeled in a computer.

Great story! I have heard more than a few tour guides that were less than knowledgeable and pompous...

I once was lucky enough to see a farmer layout by hand a new irrigation canal. It couldn't have been simpler; start at the water source, let a trickle out, and hack away at the soil following the shallowest line that the trickle will flow down. It is self correcting; if you go too high on your line the water starts pooling instead of flowing, too low, and you can see the water accelerate.

You are done when the water gets to a patch of land that looks suitable. Of course, if there already is a nearby canal, you have wonderful sight lines and precedents for where the new canal should go.

Total technology: one hoe, one human.

Reminded me a lot of what kids do playing in the rain, channeling rivulets.

All the best,

Peter

 

[not2old]

Why I lean towards they had 'outside' help as in outside the universe, but then if they did, why aren't those 'aliens' here today? Or maybe they are and we don't realize it.

Maybe they didn't like what they saw and left.

 

[Larry Caldwell]

I guess my one burning but never answered question is.. How did an ancient civilization manage to stack all those blocks that weighted literally thousands of pounds, so high and place them so precisely with no apparent mechanical means at all and cut the blocks with such precision. I know scientists and archaeologists have tried to duplicate the cutting with period tools and failed miserably.

Why I lean towards they had 'outside' help as in outside the universe, but then if they did, why aren't those 'aliens' here today? Or maybe they are and we don't realize it.

They're asking the wrong people. All scientists and archaeologists can do is stand around with their thumbs up their butts. Give a few skilled stonemasons a few thousand helpers, and they would figure it out in pretty short order.

The really precise work was done in South America by Incas and their precursors. They built drystone buildings of stone so precisely shaped there is less than a millimeter of gap. How? Cut them close and then grind them to perfection with sand. That's the same way the Egyptians bored holes in rock. Take something like a fire drill, toss some corundum sand on the rock, and start spinning. You don't even need metal tools. The neolithic lasted for 10,000 years, long enough for people to learn a thing or two about working stone.

 

[Muhammad]

I think just in the wording of "per acre-foot" fee indicates that this is about agriculture, not your everyday homeowner who uses a well for basic water needs.

California produces 40% of the United States' fruits, vegetables, and nuts. The ground is running out of water after decades of an unlimited and largely unregulated water use.

It would be a massive scale project, but the central California coast has plenty of room to create massive desalination plants and use ocean water for agriculture. IMO the sooner we bite the bullet and find a sustainable solution to the groundwater crisis, the better. But the writing is on the wall. No matter who pays for it, thirsty crop agriculture in California is going to get much more expensive over the next couple of decades.

 

[California]

Once you started reading in detail about the Egyptians, it becomes apparent that precision was a valued commodity and routinely applied to many objects.

I've read that the need to re-survey property boundaries after each year's Nile flood was the basis for inventing precision measuring there.

 

[MossRoad]

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