I own a John Deere 4120 CUT hydro. When I decided to get a new tractor I wanted to get one that was a tier 3 before they had to go to tier 4. I priced New Holland, Case IH and Kubota. I went with the Deere. They were not only cheaper but the service and parts was a factor. I also wanted y'all to know that I farmed cotton, beans and corns for most of my life. At the time the largest tractors that I had were 4840,4850 and 6030 and 4630,4430, and a 4020 bought new for $6,800. I once asked my dealer why they only offered a 1 year warranty and Case IH a three. I let the Case IH dealer talk me into a cotton Picker and a tractor the same size as my John Deere. Well they both stayed in the shop so much that the next year I traded them back on John Deere picker and tractor. I was raised up Deere and and yes I believe in them. Maybe so how that Green paint does something to make it better. I know most the time Deere is a little more costly, but if you need service and the parts its a win, win situation. By the way my tractor was made in Augusta, Ga and that was a big factor to me. The tractor that took its place is made overseas and has a Yanmar engine in it unlike my USA made power tech. Just my two cents and more.I read too many threads here implying that the only reason Deere and Kubota lead the market on price and resale is because of their pretty green (or orange) paint. Maybe some of it is just good-natured ribbing, and maybe there's some real perception this is the case.
But of course, while I can still buy nearly every part for a Deere made 36 years ago, including front spindles, folks making the "expensive paint" claims seem to ignore many threads like this:
MF431 front spindle
Hello everyone new guy here. Have a low hour tractor that's useless until I can get front spindle replaced. Dealer says don't make em anymore and every salvage yard says nope. Getting frustrated have round bales to move and sell. Might have to start looking at different models for a replacement.www.tractorbynet.com
I feel for the owner, this really sucks for him. I didn't want to muddy his thread, or pour salt on a wound, so I'm posting separately over here.
But his machine hasn't been out of production more than 15 years, and Massey has already stopped support for key components like a front spindle!If it were Deere, even in the very unlikely scenario that the dealer can't still get the parts for a 15 year old machine within 48 hours, there'd be a dozen second-hand options a click of the mouse away. All indications from my Kubota fanboy friends are that the same would be true on that side of the color wheel, manufacturer support is good even on older machines, and there's a plethora of Kubota bone yards there to save you when that falls thru.
As a non-commercial user, I tend to keep my machines a relatively long time. Knowing I'll be able to still get every part I need 25 years from now, and most from the dealer within 48 hours, is one good reason to pay more.
The next guy that claims "green (or orange) paint doubles the price"
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nknelsen
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I'm sure this is true. However I've been a very happy Kioti owner for 10 years now and there is a reason that I bought kioti instead of JD.I read too many threads here implying that the only reason Deere and Kubota lead the market on price and resale is because of their pretty green (or orange) paint. Maybe some of it is just good-natured ribbing, and maybe there's some real perception this is the case.
But of course, while I can still buy nearly every part for a Deere made 36 years ago, including front spindles, folks making the "expensive paint" claims seem to ignore many threads like this:
MF431 front spindle
Hello everyone new guy here. Have a low hour tractor that's useless until I can get front spindle replaced. Dealer says don't make em anymore and every salvage yard says nope. Getting frustrated have round bales to move and sell. Might have to start looking at different models for a replacement.
I feel for the owner, this really sucks for him. I didn't want to muddy his thread, or pour salt on a wound, so I'm posting separately over here.
But his machine hasn't been out of production more than 15 years, and Massey has already stopped support for key components like a front spindle!
As a non-commercial user, I tend to keep my machines a relatively long time. Knowing I'll be able to still get every part I need 25 years from now, and most from the dealer within 48 hours, is one good reason to pay more.
I purchased my New CX2510 compact tractor earlier this year to replace a smaller CS2410 sub compact that served me very well with 0 issues over the 9 years that I owned it other then regular maintenance and a hydraulic line or two. Other then being too small for Me, it was an awesome machine and I sold it at 9 years old for the same price I paid for it.
Kubota was never an option for me as Ive seen 2 Kubota tractors suffer broken rear axles which I attribute to them using cast aluminum. I find it funny that Kubota uses aluminum, considering that most of the time you need to add weight to get the most out of your tractor. Kubota also uses a HST shuttle pedal that just doesn't work well for me, or not nearly as well as the two pedal system.
So it was up to kioti or JD.
Kioti was 30000 Canadian with loader and MMM and it utilizes the industry standard Bobcat quick attach loader attachment system.
JD was 54000 for a similar set up, except JD uses a proprietary quick attach loader attachment system that would have required me to repurchase all the attachments that I've collected.
So yes, I may be able to source old pieces for a John Deere 20 years from now.
But if I invested what I saved over that 20 years in a TFSA I would be able to purchase a brand new tractor at that point and still have change.
It's not that I don't think John Deere is a good tractor, it is.
But being able to use my old attachments and having enough money left over to buy a decent 10-15 year old Corvette to deal with my mid life crisis just felt better for Me.
LD1
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For me it depends on the pump. Aluminum housed hydraulic pumps I have never had an issue with. And most of your automotive AC compressors are aluminum. As well as alot of the pump/motors in commercial zeroturn mowers. But I dont like aluminum for anything abrasive.Mostly agree…
Although I can’t stand aluminum pumps, or anything with a shaft spinning in an aluminum housing. Wears out faster. Replaced too many pumps with aluminum housings. Prefer cast.
I always give you the benefit of the doubt though because you know what truck to drive and what saw to buy and you cut fields.
For me, where aluminum fails miserably is salt. Alot of buyers salt spreaders use aluminum castings for some of the gearboxes that drive the augers and spinners. And the salt just eats them up.
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I’ve replaced 2 aluminum housing pumps in tractors. They set shaft bushings into the housings and the bushings start to get just a millimeter loose in the aluminum and it takes pump shaft out. AC unit not a big deal because it’s not very big and under very much pressure, but too soft for heavy hydraulic pumps in a tractor. Did a steering pump and a main hydraulic pump and both went the same way-bushings got loose in aluminum
Totally agree. As for resale value, I dare say I could sell my 1025r tlb for more than the the $18,500 I paid for it new 5 years ago.I read too many threads here implying that the only reason Deere and Kubota lead the market on price and resale is because of their pretty green (or orange) paint. Maybe some of it is just good-natured ribbing, and maybe there's some real perception this is the case.
But of course, while I can still buy nearly every part for a Deere made 36 years ago, including front spindles, folks making the "expensive paint" claims seem to ignore many threads like this:
MF431 front spindle
Hello everyone new guy here. Have a low hour tractor that's useless until I can get front spindle replaced. Dealer says don't make em anymore and every salvage yard says nope. Getting frustrated have round bales to move and sell. Might have to start looking at different models for a replacement.
I feel for the owner, this really sucks for him. I didn't want to muddy his thread, or pour salt on a wound, so I'm posting separately over here.
But his machine hasn't been out of production more than 15 years, and Massey has already stopped support for key components like a front spindle!
As a non-commercial user, I tend to keep my machines a relatively long time. Knowing I'll be able to still get every part I need 25 years from now, and most from the dealer within 48 hours, is one good reason to pay more.
dodge man
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You can get SSQA plates for the JD end loaders. For a person that has a lot of SSQA attachments, I understand the dislike for the JD system. For me, I have a set of forks and a bucket. The JD system is very simple and doesn’t add any weight to the end loader to reduce lift. For large machines or construction equipment not a big deal, they have large lift capacities but for smaller machines every little bit helps.
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I did not read 14 pages because I have more urgent things to do today.
Just remember that Kubota was junk orange stuff when they entered the US market decades ago.
We are all adults and can decide what is right for us...well maybe not. Some guys will still buy based on color....LOL
Just remember that Kubota was junk orange stuff when they entered the US market decades ago.
We are all adults and can decide what is right for us...well maybe not. Some guys will still buy based on color....LOL
LD1
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Youre right. But now they have proven themselves, and proven they can make (and stand behind) a quality product. They have built consumer confidence that they wont leave customers orphaned. Its not something that happens overnight. And companies like kioti are well on their way to following in the same footsteps. As enticing as prices are for some of the new competition....customers want the confidence they are still gonna be able to get parts and service 5 or 10 years down the road. Montana/LG didnt do anything to help the cause for new players in the game.
I wish them all the best, and really do want to see the new players succeed. Competition is good for us consumers.
tjandrews
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"Farms" come in all sizes. Around here, they can be as small as a 10 acre vegetable operation to as big as a multi-thousand acre dairy. My farm, in the family for 74 years and still operating, is just short of 200 acres. We don't use "big" anything, because we don't need it.
Oh, and even the bigger operations around here, the ones that use the "big" tractors you mentioned, also own smaller equipment for the tasks that smaller stuff does better.
dcarman
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I have orange and my brother has green. We push them to their limits+ and they keep on going. He's had some minor issues with his green one but no big deal. Parts were available. I've not had any real issues with my orange ones (after 18 years with one). They are great tools when you need to get a job done.
As long as they are taken care of they will do you well. Resale values are great with both but I have no intention of ever selling mine. I have found some orange parts such as mower blades are way cheaper with the orange ones.
So quit your bickering and get to work!
As long as they are taken care of they will do you well. Resale values are great with both but I have no intention of ever selling mine. I have found some orange parts such as mower blades are way cheaper with the orange ones.
So quit your bickering and get to work!
