The next guy that claims "green (or orange) paint doubles the price"

[ovrszd]

Last "appropriate" (best for the job) engine Jeep put in the Wrangler was the old straight 6, NOT a V6. I made sure to snag one of the last ones made, a 2006. Can't stall that engine...come to a really rough spot in the trail, put it in 1st gear (manual transmission, of course!), don't touch the throttle and it will idle up and over any obstacle. No V6 with a manual tranny can do that. So now Jeep has gone back to the straight 6 - but with twin turbos. Double the horsepower and torque of today's 4 cylinder and V6 engines. The new engine is currently available in the new Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer and will be in the Wrangler and pickups soon. All V8 engines (the hemis) will be discontinued. Diesel engine is already discontinued.

Last of the good ones....
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I have an '05 with the 4.0L. Last of a dying breed.

 

[ovrszd]

None of the guys I would trail ride or rock climb with were running the old straight 6. It's been 25 years since then, but I believe most of them were running GM 60° or Chevy Vortec v6's, but I also remember at least two Buick v6's in the group. These guys were rock climbers, not antiquers.

I also used the term "Wrangler" generically. These were mostly later CJ's.

You are referring to the 4.2L 6cyl. A distant, distant cousin to the H.O. 4.0L 6cyl.

 

[WinterDeere]

You are referring to the 4.2L 6cyl. A distant, distant cousin to the H.O. 4.0L 6cyl.

Yeah, I think so. Was never a small-block guy myself, let alone v6's. Nor was I ever a "Jeep guy", but I ran with them in my Bronco and an old Ram Charger I worked on with a buddy.

I remember something about that GM 60° v6 bolting right up to the bell housing on the old CJ's. I also remember a few of them had a Buick v6 that the rest all seemed to envy.

My little clique all thought it was funny, these dorks drooling over little v6's in tiny CJ's and Wranglers, until we'd get into a tight spot in the woods or a narrow crevice. Then those Jeep guys would zoom right around us, while we're trying to figure out how to get the bigger trucks thru. The "rivalry" was purely fun, we all got along great. There were many times when we each had a chance to return favors to the other, as various obstacles or trails favored one over the other.

Here's what I was running, at the time:

 

[Creamer]

Yeah, I think so. Was never a small-block guy myself, let alone v6's. Nor was I ever a "Jeep guy", but I ran with them in my Bronco and an old Ram Charger I worked on with a buddy.

I remember something about that GM 60° v6 bolting right up to the bell housing on the old CJ's. I also remember a few of them had a Buick v6 that the rest all seemed to envy.

My little clique all thought it was funny, these dorks drooling over little v6's in tiny CJ's and Wranglers, until we'd get into a tight spot in the woods or a narrow crevice. Then those Jeep guys would zoom right around us, while we're trying to figure out how to get the bigger trucks thru. The "rivalry" was purely fun, we all got along great. There were many times when we each had a chance to return favors to the other, as various obstacles or trails favored one over the other.

Here's what I was running, at the time:

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Which Buick - the 3800?

 

[jyoutz]

Last "appropriate" (best for the job) engine Jeep put in the Wrangler was the old straight 6, NOT a V6. I made sure to snag one of the last ones made, a 2006. Can't stall that engine...come to a really rough spot in the trail, put it in 1st gear (manual transmission, of course!), don't touch the throttle and it will idle up and over any obstacle. No V6 with a manual tranny can do that. So now Jeep has gone back to the straight 6 - but with twin turbos. Double the horsepower and torque of today's 4 cylinder and V6 engines. The new engine is currently available in the new Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer and will be in the Wrangler and pickups soon. All V8 engines (the hemis) will be discontinued. Diesel engine is already discontinued.

Last of the good ones....
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I have had 3 Jeeps: 1 with the I6, and 2 with the V6. I was originally disappointed that Jeep discontinued the I6, but I drove the I6 for 270K trouble free miles before trading. I traded the first V6 Jeep with 290K miles, and my current V6 Jeep is barely broken in with 130K miles. None of these engines needed significant repairs and all were good off road.

 

[stumblinhorse]

I have had 3 Jeeps: 1 with the I6, and 2 with the V6. I was originally disappointed that Jeep discontinued the I6, but I drove the I6 for 270K trouble free miles before trading. I traded the first V6 Jeep with 290K miles, and my current V6 Jeep is barely broken in with 130K miles. None of these engines needed significant repairs and all were good off road.

Bad oil pressure sensor on my JK 3.6l pentastar. A lot of work to fix.

 

[jyoutz]

Bad oil pressure sensor on my JK 3.6l pentastar. A lot of work to fix.View attachment 777218

It happens. So far so good in my experiences.

 

[ovrszd]

Yeah, I think so. Was never a small-block guy myself, let alone v6's. Nor was I ever a "Jeep guy", but I ran with them in my Bronco and an old Ram Charger I worked on with a buddy.

I remember something about that GM 60° v6 bolting right up to the bell housing on the old CJ's. I also remember a few of them had a Buick v6 that the rest all seemed to envy.

My little clique all thought it was funny, these dorks drooling over little v6's in tiny CJ's and Wranglers, until we'd get into a tight spot in the woods or a narrow crevice. Then those Jeep guys would zoom right around us, while we're trying to figure out how to get the bigger trucks thru. The "rivalry" was purely fun, we all got along great. There were many times when we each had a chance to return favors to the other, as various obstacles or trails favored one over the other.

Here's what I was running, at the time:

The old 4.2L was not a V6, it was inline. Same for the 4.0L later engine.

 

[Slowpoke Slim]

Just remember that "Jeep" should be pronounced with the Hispanic pronunciation of the "J" sounding like an "H".

I have had 4 in my lifetime.

A '64 CJ5
A '75(or'76?) CJ7
A '90 Wrangler
And a 2000 Wrangler (after Chrysler wrecked them)

They got progressively more "sissyfied" over the years. The 2000 was for the wife. The new Chrysler engine (4.0L 6) was all top end, no bottom end grunt like the old Jeep 4.2L-6. They made the car wider, longer and heavier (by model year 2000), but at the same time, they made the brakes smaller.

That '64 would go anywhere. Should have kept it. Same with the '75, but by then you had to start ordering it with the "options" to do it. 90 was the last straw for me, every single useful offroad "thing" had to be ordered as an option. And the 2000, I told the wife to get a bunch of pink "Barbie" stickers and plaster the sides of it, so no one would ever think it may accidentally be an offroad vehicle.

Don't elk and deer hunt in the rough stuff anymore (in AZ), so no longer really need one. I'd still like to have my old '64 back. Or always liked the 3B's, just slightly modified from stock.

Anyway....

 

[Hay Dude]

Making them wider was to cope with NIHSTA issues, insurance and lawsuits from rollover lawyers.
I had a ‘76 CJ-5 that was noticeably tippy. One of my high school classmates was an emerging downhill skier. She rolled her newer than mine CJ-7 and lost her left leg.

My ‘78 CJ-7 Golden eagle had a 304 V-8 which I shamefully added a 4 barrel carb and some other performance items. It would burn rubber for 200’ or more with it’s 3 speed on the floor. It rusted badly due to previous owner never rinsing off the bottom. I plowed snow with it until its final days when the floor was replaced from an old street sign I cut to fit the 2’ gaping holes in the floor pan. Would love to have that thing back.

 

[ovrszd]

Just remember that "Jeep" should be pronounced with the Hispanic pronunciation of the "J" sounding like an "H".

I have had 4 in my lifetime.

A '64 CJ5
A '75(or'76?) CJ7
A '90 Wrangler
And a 2000 Wrangler (after Chrysler wrecked them)

They got progressively more "sissyfied" over the years. The 2000 was for the wife. The new Chrysler engine (4.0L 6) was all top end, no bottom end grunt like the old Jeep 4.2L-6. They made the car wider, longer and heavier (by model year 2000), but at the same time, they made the brakes smaller.

That '64 would go anywhere. Should have kept it. Same with the '75, but by then you had to start ordering it with the "options" to do it. 90 was the last straw for me, every single useful offroad "thing" had to be ordered as an option. And the 2000, I told the wife to get a bunch of pink "Barbie" stickers and plaster the sides of it, so no one would ever think it may accidentally be an offroad vehicle.

Don't elk and deer hunt in the rough stuff anymore (in AZ), so no longer really need one. I'd still like to have my old '64 back. Or always liked the 3B's, just slightly modified from stock.

Anyway....

At one time I had 13 Jeeps. Now I've streamlined to 4. Every model change has been an improvement.

The 4.0L is a drastic improvement over the 4.2L. In fuel delivery alone. Very common to see 4.0L engines with 300K miles on them. I am running one with 256K miles on it without even having the valve cover removed. Hundreds of times in the rev limiter.

The YJ models were a big step up in offroad capability over the CJ. CJs were excellent in their day. Simply because there wasn't much alternatives. Once the YJ was introduced people started selling their CJs.

Then the TJ models were introduced, which is what your 2000 is. Another dramatic improvement over the YJs. Only similar feature was the name Jeep. Capability beyond the imagination of a CJ owner.

Now the JKs and JLs have again raised the bar. So far no offroad prowess has been lost with these model changes. The gain is you can stand to drive them long distance.

Wife and I went on a 2700 mile trip to Colorado and back this past Summer in our TJ. Top down the whole trip. Got rained on. Got snowed on. Highest elevation was 13,845ft. Only modifications are a slight lift and bigger tire.

The desire for the old Jeeps is nostalgic. I have a '72 Jeepster Commando. No way I would ever consider driving it on a 2700 mile trip.

 

[stumblinhorse]

They got progressively more "sissyfied" over the years. The 2000 was for the wife. The new Chrysler engine (4.0L 6) was all top end, no bottom end grunt like the old Jeep 4.2L-6. They made the car wider, longer and heavier (by model year 2000), but at the same time, they made the brakes smaller.

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You’re crazy. The straight 6 4.0l motor was the best motor ever put in a wrangler, that is until the 6.4. They were bullet proof. TJs with that motor still sell for a mint. And some more than their original sticker price, but Sticker was in 1990’s money…

An XJ with the 4.0L is the only reasonable purchase these days. They are about the same size a JLU actually. Without all the computer stuff of today they are a great option for anyone needing a reliable 4WD vehicle.

 

[ovrszd]

You’re crazy. The straight 6 4.0l motor was the best motor ever put in a wrangler, that is until the 6.4. They were bullet proof. TJs with that motor still sell for a mint. And some more than their original sticker price, but Sticker was in 1990’s money…

An XJ with the 4.0L is the only reasonable purchase these days. They are about the same size a JLU actually. Without all the computer stuff of today they are a great option for anyone needing a reliable 4WD vehicle.

Not too many years ago you could buy a running XJ 4.0L for $100. They aren't that cheap anymore but are still a bargain. My Son has two, one auto, one standard trans. He drives one or the other daily. Greatest SUV built. We've got a dozen or so in the bone yard for parts vehicles.

 

[two_bit_score]

Still wish I had bought a late 80’s Grand Wagoneer.

 

[stumblinhorse]

Still wish I had bought a late 80’s Grand Wagoneer.

We had an early 80’s one with the 304 and 4 speed.

 

[Slowpoke Slim]

Shaking my head at you guys.

"Ok". Everybody has an opinion (like everyone has a belly button -"clean version")

 

[pretendfarmer]

I had a bit of sticker shock on parts prices recently. A seal kit for my FEL cylinder was $140 at the local dealer. A new JD cylinder is running close to $1,400. I mean, seriously? I see aftermarket ones with the same bore and stroke selling for $220 new. I probably should have seen if I could just buy a whole new aftermarket cylinder and hit it with some green paint.

 

[jyoutz]

I had a bit of sticker shock on parts prices recently. A seal kit for my FEL cylinder was $140 at the local dealer. A new JD cylinder is running close to $1,400. I mean, seriously? I see aftermarket ones with the same bore and stroke selling for $220 new. I probably should have seen if I could just buy a whole new aftermarket cylinder and hit it with some green paint.

The best and cheapest option is to take the cylinder to a local hydraulic shop. They have seals that work and will expertly rebuild it. A local shop rebuilt a JD cylinder for me for $200, including parts.

 

[pretendfarmer]

The best and cheapest option is to take the cylinder to a local hydraulic shop. They have seals that work and will expertly rebuild it. A local shop rebuilt a JD cylinder for me for $200, including parts.

I tried that, and the shop told me they didn't have a seal kit. That's why I ended up buying the JD brand. Then I called them back and asked if they'd rebuild it since I bought the kit. They want $400 labor. I called another hydraulics shop and their minimum is $800. I will do it myself for those prices. I am going to look around and see if I can find a compatible brand new cylinder new, then I'll buy it and don't have to hurry the rebuild.

 

[jyoutz]

I tried that, and the shop told me they didn't have a seal kit. That's why I ended up buying the JD brand. Then I called them back and asked if they'd rebuild it since I bought the kit. They want $400 labor. I called another hydraulics shop and their minimum is $800. I will do it myself for those prices. I am going to look around and see if I can find a compatible brand new cylinder new, then I'll buy it and don't have to hurry the rebuild.

Wow, my local shop told me they could source seals for any cylinder. They did and had it done in 4 days for $200.