Towing 10.1K with either Toyota Tundra SR5 OR F150 which is better?

[Birdhunter1]

Well, it looks like this thread is going to bust the 100 post line.
From my reading of the thread my preferred vehicle would be the Tundra SR5 V8, but they are as rare as hen's teeth.
I've actually run across several F150's that (based on VIN) have the tow capacity, the length and other features. The only main problem is the crazy prices.

I understand all the comments about "it's to small to tow that much", but really, I'm only planning on towing a load of about 7K at the MOST with that truck. Mostly moving household items from Virginia to Mississippi. For heavier loads I'll have the F350 dually.

Thanks for the comments.

You won't go wrong at 7000 lbs with an F 150 with either Ecoboost engine.

 

[dodge man]

All trucks built today have a payload sticker. I posted a pic of mine. This is on the drivers door area normally. Don’t go by advertising or some salesman, look at the actual truck.

Max tow on the F150? The truth is it doesn’t really add much tow capacity. It has a slightly stronger hitch but what it really does is combine the items you want for towing into a package at a discount.

If you buy the right half ton I’d tow 10,000 pounds assuming you have the right hitch setup as long as it wasn’t a travel trailer. They just catch too much wind.

The prices of F150’s? Yes stupid compared to a few years ago. We bought ours in late 2017 when discounts were available. The same truck today might go for $20k more.

 

[Grumpycat]

How so? If you buy a properly configured Ram 1500 (meaning my A8HP70 trans, 3.92 rear, 5.7L Hemi, 4x4), it's rated 10,150 lb. If you drop the 4x4, it goes to 10.3 - 10.4k, depending on bed configuration. What's the F150 rated?

As others have said the F-150 can be optioned to 13,000.

What I was finding was same as the poster I replied to found: the trucks on the lot were optioned for comfort not capacity. Some had only 4500 pound tow rating. A RAM 1500.

I reiterate determining actual tow rating is very difficult to determine. Would be trivial for the manufacturer to post on door panel but as others have pointed out it is something one must go to effort to calculate. Is not printed in the hitch receiver.

 

[dodge man]

There is a tag on the bottom of the hitch that lists the capacity of the hitch, both with and without a weight distribution hitch. You are correct that’s NOT the capacity of the truck. There are on line guides that list the tow rating by cab configuration, 4x4 or not, engine and rear gear ratio. There is just a lot of possibilities there but if you sort through it you can find it for a specific truck.

 

[Grumpycat]

And even though the Toyota is assembled in Texas, the profits all go to Japan. Thank you for supporting Japan!

Minus taxes. Minus payroll. And in the end we get Toyota trucks to keep.

But then again, one can purchase stock in Toyota and share the profits.

 

[Too many Kubotas]

...I tow my 16' open car hauler with tandem 3500 axles with a 4,000lb car with no trailer brakes fine. It drops my gas mileage down to about 7-8mpg...

I would not admit to knowingly towing without trailer brakes on a public forum. And especially not with a 1/2-ton.

As an aside, 7-8 mpg is about what my Ram 3500 gets when pulling 25,000 lbs. And that's in the Rockies. But even if it got only 3 mpg, the extra safety margin of the longer and heavier tow vehicle is well worth it, I think.

 

[Grumpycat]

Hmm. Toyota Tundra made in southern Indiana - or Ford made in Mexico, Hmm...

Golly, I didn’t know Mexico was a suburb of Kansas City, MO.

Learn something new every day. Disinformation AIs would not have allowed the above posting if it wasn’t true.

 

[Grumpycat]

After reviewing how to calculate payload capacity and towing capacity it's obvious that truck mfg's give unrealistic numbers and that it's up to the consumer to figure out the real numbers.

It is marketing. Obfuscate. Pretend a corner condition applies to all, then C.Y.A. with fine print directing one to manuals to calculate actual load and tow ratings.

 

[Grumpycat]

With all the right bells and whistles, and just the right configuration, and a reasonable amount of knowledge and experience, some modern 1/2 tons CAN tow up to 11K, but those trucks can't stop worth a crap.

Trailer is supposed to have brakes of it’s own sufficient to stop it’s mass.

 

[RjCorazza]

All trucks built today have a payload sticker. I posted a pic of mine. This is on the drivers door area normally. Don’t go by advertising or some salesman, look at the actual truck.

Max tow on the F150? The truth is it doesn’t really add much tow capacity. It has a slightly stronger hitch but what it really does is combine the items you want for towing into a package at a discount.

If you buy the right half ton I’d tow 10,000 pounds assuming you have the right hitch setup as long as it wasn’t a travel trailer. They just catch too much wind.

The prices of F150’s? Yes stupid compared to a few years ago. We bought ours in late 2017 when discounts were available. The same truck today might go for $20k more.
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[Venturabass]

I consider myself in similar situation. Bought a larger tractor and bought a 10k equipment trailer to tow it. Around 8500lbs combined when loaded. Also have a 28’ travel trailer that’s 7400lbs loaded on the scales.

I had a 2008 Silverado 1500 with 6L but 4sp. It was time to upgrade and i wanted to stay in the half ton size for economy and comfort as towing is occasionally. I looked at both the Tundra and F150. Never went to look at a Toyota though because “brochure payloads” were significantly lower on the previous generation Tundra. I ended up ordering a ‘21 F150 Ecoboost 6.5’ crew cab, with a door tag payload at 1900lbs. With the travel trailer I run weight distribution and will tow at 65mph mainly for fuel economy. Tows great. With the equipment trailer at 8500lbs I don’t run weight distribution but squat is acceptable around 2” and trailer tows great. I’m really happy with my decision.

By the way, nothing against Toyota. I was interested in them but the payload was too low, and that V8 was a gas hog like my old Chevy was. Needed the truck and couldn’t wait for the new Tundras to come out.

Go look at both, study the numbers, be smart, and you’ll be alright.

 

[John0829]

By the way, nothing against Toyota. I was interested in them but the payload was too low, and that V8 was a gas hog like my old Chevy was. Needed the truck and couldn’t wait for the new Tundras to come out.

I do not agree with the gas hog statement, our 5.7 V8 Tundra pulled a travel trailer all over the west and Rockies averaging 14+ mpg the whole time. It averages 18+ around home in highway and city driving and just under 23 on long highway trips hauling only me and the boss. Granted I do drive with a light foot but I consider that towing mileage very good with over 7K hooked to it. BTW gas mileage is manually figured and NOT the on board computer.

 

[AnotherBueller]

And the engine in Huntsville, Alabama.

While they are mostly made in America, both locations listed are non-union states. Don't know enough to say where net profits go.

 

[WinterDeere]

And the engine in Huntsville, Alabama.

Sorry, can't hear "Alabama" without hearing Hanks shout it, anymore.

 

[notaz3]

Everyone should just get a Class 8 rig in order to tow any weight over a wagon.

 

[LightningCamaroGuy]

Holy S, y'all are some F'in idiots. Tundra is not more American than F150. A quick Google search on the most U.S made vehicles will quickly verify this. First of all this is based on a % of components used in a vehicle that's manufactured in the U.S. F150 is #8 on the list of most U.S made vehicles. The only Japanese OEM with a vehicle with a higher percentage of U.S made components than the F150 is Honda with the Passport Trailsport. Every other vehicle on the list of "most U.S made" that sits higher on the list than F150 is made by Lincoln, Tesla, Chevrolet, Jeep, and Dodge. (In that order) Honda is the only foreign owned OEM to make it in the top 10 most U.S. made vehicles. Tundra is somewhere in the top 20 most U.S made vehicles. But who gives a crap because all these vehicles are in the 70 something to 80 something percent of components manufactured in the U.S range.?.? F150 is 77.5% manufactured in the U.S BTW. Also Colorado, and Corvette are 80.5% and 81% U.S. made respectively.

Tundras are turds. Just like Kubota, or anything else made in Japan they get this stupid narrative that they are just so much better, and more reliable than anything else. It's based off a narrative, and old stereotypes. Look I've got a ton of Mitutoyo, SPI, NSK, etc tools, but then being good tools doesn't mean that other tools that are made in Merica, or Europe aren't good either. Even these new Chinese tools are good. The Chinese copycat things well. Are Toyota's generally reliable, and well built? Yes. Are they always reliable, and well built? No. Like anything else they can, and do have issues, and I can name off a list including GEN2 Tundras having stupid reliability issues. I can do the same thing for any of the big 3 as well. Plus Tundras are slow compared to the modern Ford trucks other than the ones with the N/A 3.3L V6. My 5L/10R80 crewcab/4x4 will wax fat on a 5.7L/6 speed Tundra in a race.... And yeah it really will. For the record I have a 3.73 truck with an AML flex fuel tune that I DD on E85, and if the Tundra wants to play competitively in anything other than maybe/possibility a RCSB truck then he better be rocking a blower, and hope that I'm not. BTW my 18 XLT 302A FX4, 5L truck sitting on 20's is rated to tow 10,900 lbs from the factory, and I think right under a 1,900 lb payload rating.

 

[Code54]

Is the Toyota Tundra Really the Most American-Made Full-Size Truck?

Economists and industry experts weigh in on the most American pickup.

www.motorbiscuit.com

 

[Code54]

Plus Tundras are slow compared to the modern Ford trucks other than the ones with the N/A 3.3L V6. My 5L/10R80 crewcab/4x4 will wax fat on a 5.7L/6 speed Tundra in a race....

I looked it up:
2022 Toyota Tundra TRD Pro CrewMax 4X4
0-60 mph 5.7

Wow - they are really slow....

 

[LightningCamaroGuy]

Is the Toyota Tundra Really the Most American-Made Full-Size Truck?

Economists and industry experts weigh in on the most American pickup.

www.motorbiscuit.com

Most American Cars | Mostly domestics, plus Honda in the top 10

The car with the most American/Canadian content for 2022 is the Lincoln Corsair, in both standard gasoline-fueled and plug-in hybrid guise. Here's the list.

www.autoblog.com

 

[LightningCamaroGuy]

I looked it up:
2022 Toyota Tundra TRD Pro CrewMax 4X4
0-60 mph 5.7

Wow - they are really slow....

Cool story bro! How about you post a link instead. 5.7 seconds isn't all that fast in 2023, especially when you're rated at over 580 lb-ft, but yes the GEN2 5.7L trucks won't run 5.7 second 0-60 times. BTW do they make compound boost kits for the new 3.4L/hybrid motor V6 trucks because by saying "blower" I thought I was implying GEN2 V8 Tundra. But sure I'd love to run a new Tundra. It would be just like the Pearl Harbor attack getting skeeted on by the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Here. Stock truck running a custom flex fuel tune (GEN2+ Coyote F150's are factory flex fuel vehicles BTW) on E85.