Solar Farm #2, dangers involved.

[turbo36]

There aren’t many options to farming. We all have to eat.

As far as clear cutting goes, that is regulated beyond comprehension if it is even allowed and has been for close to 50 years. Land is re-forested. We are cutting timber that man planted decades ago.

Plenty of options to forced, chinese made solar panels though.

Get ready!

 

[MAX-24-Dean]

There aren’t many options to farming. We all have to eat.

As far as clear cutting goes, that is regulated beyond comprehension if it is even allowed and has been for close to 50 years. Land is re-forested. We are cutting timber that man planted decades ago.

Plenty of options to forced, chinese made solar panels though.

But during part of this time frame you could still get a permit for 96% thinning in Washington State. Can you see much difference between a clear cut and 96% thinning? Yea, whoohooo! they left of few trees. Lol

A local 163 Mega-watt solar project with 60 Mega-watts of battery storage is bypassing local county planning by using a state agency for permitting.
By using the Washington State "Energy Facility Site Evaluation Council" (EFSEC), any solar project in Washington State can bypass local zoning.
The EFSEC can override county zoning ordinaces if they decide it is good for the state.
In this case it is good for the state financially as it is on DNR land. Rent goes to the state$$$$.

 

[bnold]

Lot of crying about folks using their land for income. Offer to buy them out of the 20yr lease agreement +20% and they may be interested. Of course, they’d have to weigh the risk on the optional lease extensions in those contracts as possible income lost. There are some termination points in some of those leases if early enough.

Crying about China panels. Develop technology to build the equal or better product in the states at the same or better price point and the companies will buy them.

 

[Hay Dude]

Lot of crying about folks using their land for income. Offer to buy them out of the 20yr lease agreement +20% and they may be interested. Of course, they’d have to weigh the risk on the optional lease extensions in those contracts as possible income lost. There are some termination points in some of those leases if early enough.

Crying about China panels. Develop technology to build the equal or better product in the states at the same or better price point and the companies will buy them.

Have you been reading anything about Chinese labor practices? Uighars? Chinese stealing US patents?

So we have to try to compete with criminal crap like that? Human rights violators? People making 1/10th what we make? Them stealing literally every breakthrough in technology we invent?

Really?

 

[Hay Dude]

Get ready!

Yeah get ready my a$$….I’m not too worried about that.
99.9% of the food we grow is still grown on US soil outdoors.

 

[MossRoad]

I don’t understand your point. We have sold timber twice and they have only cut certain species. You couldn’t give some species to the lumber people. And, as I understand, if clearcutting does take place they immediately plant wanted species. This outfit will clear cut everything off the land, burn it, then mix cement with the dirt to prevent erosion. This is all prime farmland. Not scrub land.

If it's all prime farmland why are there trees and scrub growing on it?

 

[fatjay]

They need this immensely large power generation to power the immensely dense 15 minute cities they're planning. For those who can't do it themselves.

In the past few months I've made it my mission to reduce my grid dependence to zero. I started with a power meter that clamps onto my main supply lines, so I could monitor what I'm using. That has proven extremely insightful to determine what my actual power usage is, and identify large power items.

I picked up 18 panels second hand, 240w for 60 a pop. I'm going to build a 4.2kw array and a grid tie inverter, and that should cover me for the bulk of my use.

Solar isn't bad. The implementation of solar is. How else can you be your own power plant?

 

[ddbackhoe]

Was this for a 'solar farm'? If so imagine 1200+ acres.

Yes, in the second picture you can see the rows of solar panels

 

[ddbackhoe]

To the environmentalist it damn sure is!

I agree with that aspect from the corporations who stand to profit, but go to an environmentalist demonstration sometime, or listen to Ms. Thunburg and you’ll see, it’s a religious crusade. These people are nuts and they are very determined.

The “people” look at it like they are saving the planet. The corporations that build the equipment are more than happy to participate and make tremendous profits.

Yep, they are convinced the only road to salvation is by doing what they decide is best.

 

[ddbackhoe]

Solar isn't bad. The implementation of solar is. How else can you be your own power plant?

If it was good, they would be recyclable. Why do you need to be your own power plant? Electricity merely provides access to amenities in life.

 

[Hay Dude]

If it's all prime farmland why are there trees and scrub growing on it?

Because farming is a risky, low paying way of life. Droughts, floods, low commodity prices, high input prices, high fuel & insurance prices.
Thats why.

Doesn’t mean covering them with inefficient, chinese made, only work 1/3rd the day solar panels is the answer, either.

 

[Rustyiron]

You don’t understand my point because you only see your point. You use environmental damage in support of your argument but fail to mention that farming has an environmental impact also. Either you are unhappy that you are not getting any financial gain in this project or you are jealous of your neighbors good fortune.

You seem to be unable to distinguish "environmental damage" from harvesting a crop that has a 30 year cycle. Planting thousands of cement support bases and amending the soil with Portland cement for structural support alone is permanently killing the soil. That land will never grow any food again, ever!

 

[Sigarms]

Doesn’t mean covering them with inefficient, chinese made, only work 1/3rd the day solar panels is the answer, either.

At the end of the day, if it is your land and you own it, it's yours do as you wish IMO. If you can make money with solar panels and you want to lease your land out, no one should be able to tell you that you can't IMO.

Don't get me wrong, a new pig farm next door could be an issue with the smell, but if it was already there when you bought the land, that's on you and not the pig farmer.

 

[Hay Dude]

They need this immensely large power generation to power the immensely dense 15 minute cities they're planning. For those who can't do it themselves.

In the past few months I've made it my mission to reduce my grid dependence to zero. I started with a power meter that clamps onto my main supply lines, so I could monitor what I'm using. That has proven extremely insightful to determine what my actual power usage is, and identify large power items.

I picked up 18 panels second hand, 240w for 60 a pop. I'm going to build a 4.2kw array and a grid tie inverter, and that should cover me for the bulk of my use.

Solar isn't bad. The implementation of solar is. How else can you be your own power plant?

I agree with that. Solar is great for individual homes, but it sucks for massive power generation.
Yet these clowns continue to pee on our heads and tell us it’s raining!

Chinese made solar panel energy production does 3 things:
Make China richer & more powerful
Makes our energy grid less reliable
Destroys the earth manufacturing them, placing them in fields and disposing of them

 

[Sigarms]

The company doing this keeps repeating that it will pay out around $18 million to people in the county over the next twenty years. This will only go to three families.

If your daughter and sister in law were one of the 3 families getting paid, would you feel any differently?

 

[Hay Dude]

At the end of the day, if it is your land and you own it, it's yours do as you wish IMO. If you can make money with solar panels and you want to lease your land out, no one should be able to tell you that you can't IMO.

Don't get me wrong, a new pig farm next door could be an issue with the smell, but if it was already there when you bought the land, that's on you and not the pig farmer.

No, not so sure about that.
We have 10 different agencies up our behinds 7 ways to Sunday regulating us about polluting. Solar panels cause pollution and land/environmental destruction, so someone very well should be able to tell you if you can and can’t do that.

 

[Hay Dude]

If your daughter and sister in law were one of the 3 families getting paid, would you feel any differently?

We can’t turn a blind eye to the downside of solar power and start believing in all this notion of “its for the greater good” crap.
Solar power has too many downsides for the vast majority of us to worry about a few people becoming rich

 

[ddbackhoe]

At the end of the day, if it is your land and you own it, it's yours do as you wish IMO. If you can make money with solar panels and you want to lease your land out, no one should be able to tell you that you can't IMO.

Don't get me wrong, a new pig farm next door could be an issue with the smell, but if it was already there when you bought the land, that's on you and not the pig farmer.

Except, what we as a whole do best is decide for you what is best. Our system has created this area of expertise where everyone but you knows whats best for you. Unfortunately, we are currently seeing the worst of this system where the government has gotten to the point of being the final authority and even the courts are holding little to no sway over the “elected” leaders.

 

[Hay Dude]

From what I've learned about Solar and Wind Farms, they are all about spending Government money without any regard to what happens once that money is spent. Once you get it, you have to spend it!!! In the few cases that I've looked into, once that Government money runs out, they all go broke because none of them generate enough power to be profitable. Since the Government is paying for everything, there is no desire to invest money to improve the technology. And probably the most important factor is who is getting rich from all of this. Follow the money and it all leads to China. When a politician pushes green energy, odds are very good that somebody in his family is getting money from China.

Amen. The subsidizing of this solar push just means taxpayer money is needed to make it work because it’s not profitable on its own, even with the solar equipment being made in China with questionable labor practices!
We are in the final days of burying this country in chinese solar panels for questionable reasons and outcomes. Just a very few big people, and we know who they are, get rich and paid-off off this scheme.

 

[dodge man]

I have a problem with people objecting to things for various reasons. Made in China? Some people go out of their way to buy American made but most don’t. Clear cutting land? That’s been going on for a while in the US.

Most of the time the solar farm puts up a bond so the removal of the panels would be paid for if the company defaults.

I wish people would just come out and say “we don’t want to look at them”. At least they’d be honest. Would it be better if it were a coal plant, a factory, a 500 unit condo?

Im sure I’d hate it too if one of these things was going up near me. It would be 100% because they’d be an eyesore and nothing else.