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[Mtsoxfan]

EV owners shift the pollution problem from the individual to the big corporation.

#Virtue

You lost me, simple explaination?

 

[Hay Dude]

You lost me, simple explaination?

Its simple.
Many people buy EV’s thinking that the tailpipe from their ICE vehicle is gone, replaced by a vehicle without a tailpipe and therefore, no pollution. At the outset, they are correct.

But then reality sets in : That EV has to be charged with an electric charger and the electric is supplied from power plants which burn mostly fossil fuel!

There’s no free lunch.

 

[shooterdon]

Unions will become more popular as people who have few skills and/or do not want to work look for "protection".

 

[lilranch2001]

Unions will become more popular as people who have few skills and/or do not want to work look for "protection".

I’m not so sure…..

So many do not even seem to have the drive any longer to get motivated to go to work!

Cannot unionize stay at home people

 

[Torvy]

I’m not so sure…..

So many do not even seem to have the drive any longer to get motivated to go to work!

Cannot unionize stay at home people

Someone will try. Then they will push for paying people to do nothing. The 'homeless union' coming to the Bay Area, Spring '24. Haha

 

[bnold]

Its simple.
Many people buy EV’s thinking that the tailpipe from their ICE vehicle is gone, replaced by a vehicle without a tailpipe and therefore, no pollution. At the outset, they are correct.

But then reality sets in : That EV has to be charged with an electric charger and the electric is supplied from power plants which burn mostly fossil fuel!

There’s no free lunch.

Covered many times on this forum.

No doubt electric generation is derived from multiple sources of varying percentages across the country. Fossil fuels being a majority in the states as a whole.

The generation, transmission, ultimate charging losses are significantly more efficient for charging an ICE (and discharging in use) when all factored in than small ice engines (by comparison to multi MW power plants). More efficient means less fuel burned and also at a lower emission density than a small ice.

Also correct that a large adoption of EVs could reduce the pollution concentration in large cities. Poor air quality in large pop cities is still a thing. I’ve not studied or care enough to know exactly how much.

The ‘you know your car is charged with fossil fuels?!’ is cute for the social media accounts and memes. I get a chuckle out of many of them. Especially the people that are losing their mind when they think ALL EV owners don’t know where electricity comes from. Of course now that mothers aren’t necessarily female anymore, I guess that makes sense for our countries current condition of mass idiot syndrome.






Fell like I need a stamp for the following:
Yes an EV owner, no, not to ‘save the planet’, just makes sense in my situation and amazingly fun to drive and love the convenience of not having to stop at a fuel station every other day. Yes also like burning 87, 91, 100LL, and diesel fuel. Yes, have solar on personal property, also not to ‘save the planet.’ Our electric is getting more expensive and I like paying less… 5-7yr ROI is acceptable to me. (Sorry to those who it doesn’t work in their climate or price gouging contractors, $2/W installed is my reasonable metric for small scale install)

 

[lilranch2001]

Covered many times on this forum.

No doubt electric generation is derived from multiple sources of varying percentages across the country. Fossil fuels being a majority in the states as a whole.

The generation, transmission, ultimate charging losses are significantly more efficient for charging an ICE (and discharging in use) when all factored in than small ice engines (by comparison to multi MW power plants). More efficient means less fuel burned and also at a lower emission density than a small ice.

Also correct that a large adoption of EVs could reduce the pollution concentration in large cities. Poor air quality in large pop cities is still a thing. I’ve not studied or care enough to know exactly how much.

The ‘you know your car is charged with fossil fuels?!’ is cute for the social media accounts and memes. I get a chuckle out of many of them. Especially the people that are losing their mind when they think ALL EV owners don’t know where electricity comes from. Of course now that mothers aren’t necessarily female anymore, I guess that makes sense for our countries current condition of mass idiot syndrome.






Fell like I need a stamp for the following:
Yes an EV owner, no, not to ‘save the planet’, just makes sense in my situation and amazingly fun to drive and love the convenience of not having to stop at a fuel station every other day. Yes also like burning 87, 91, 100LL, and diesel fuel. Yes, have solar on personal property, also not to ‘save the planet.’ Our electric is getting more expensive and I like paying less… 5-7yr ROI is acceptable to me. (Sorry to those who it doesn’t work in their climate or price gouging contractors, $2/W installed is my reasonable metric for small scale install)

Huh?

I got a headache reading this

 

[Torvy]

Huh?

I got a headache reading this

Short version. We pay for him to get cheap solar electricity so he can drive an EV without guilt.

 

[lilranch2001]

It sounded like gobbledygook to me

 

[Hay Dude]

Covered many times on this forum.

No doubt electric generation is derived from multiple sources of varying percentages across the country. Fossil fuels being a majority in the states as a whole.

The generation, transmission, ultimate charging losses are significantly more efficient for charging an ICE (and discharging in use) when all factored in than small ice engines (by comparison to multi MW power plants). More efficient means less fuel burned and also at a lower emission density than a small ice.

Also correct that a large adoption of EVs could reduce the pollution concentration in large cities. Poor air quality in large pop cities is still a thing. I’ve not studied or care enough to know exactly how much.

You do realize while you’re correct EVs could help city air pollution, that charging EVs is nearly impossible in cities

The ‘you know your car is charged with fossil fuels?!’ is cute for the social media accounts and memes. I get a chuckle out of many of them. Especially the people that are losing their mind when they think ALL EV owners don’t know where electricity comes from. Of course now that mothers aren’t necessarily female anymore, I guess that makes sense for our countries current condition of mass idiot syndrome.

There’s something to be said for keeping it simple. Fences help keep people from crossing borders. Biological males cannot have babies. Parents want their kids to be educated, not indoctrinated. And yes, EV’s are charged with and manufactured with fossil fuels (and child/slave labor) while we build ICE vehicles in our own country using highly paid and largely safe labor.

But “virtue“ is so strong to these people and their “intellect” is so amazing that they can’t get their heads out of their a____s long enough to see that.

Fell like I need a stamp for the following:
Yes an EV owner, no, not to ‘save the planet’, just makes sense in my situation and amazingly fun to drive and love the convenience of not having to stop at a fuel station every other day. Yes also like burning 87, 91, 100LL, and diesel fuel. Yes, have solar on personal property, also not to ‘save the planet.’ Our electric is getting more expensive and I like paying less… 5-7yr ROI is acceptable to me. (Sorry to those who it doesn’t work in their climate or price gouging contractors, $2/W installed is my reasonable metric for small scale install)

I know very few people who “stop at a fuel station every other day”. Even my 14 MPG Ram gets refueled every 7-10 days. Lol

 

[lilranch2001]

I see somebody actually liked it, so somebody understands his hieroglyphics

 

[Mtsoxfan]

If the government offers incentives, are people wrong for using them? The government offers tax write offs, I imagine those that use them are wrong too?

 

[milkman636]

Someone will try. Then they will push for paying people to do nothing. The 'homeless union' coming to the Bay Area, Spring '24. Haha

Universal Basic Income is already being tried in places. Everyone gets a little money for breathing.

 

[lilranch2001]

If the government offers incentives, are people wrong for using them? The government offers tax write offs, I imagine those that use them are wrong too?

And the left have notoriously hated tax write offs!

 

[Hay Dude]

Huh?

I got a headache reading this

Word salad

 

[lilranch2001]

Word salad

With lots of garlic and onions in it

 

[John_Mc]

I'm really curious if any of you arguing about the environmental impact of EVs vs gas cars has ever bothered to read the actual peer-reviewed scientific research on the subject.

Unfortunately, some will just dismiss whatever disagrees with their existing world-view.

 

[Hay Dude]

I'm really curious if any of you arguing about the environmental impact of EVs vs gas cars has ever bothered to read the actual peer-reviewed scientific research on the subject.

Unfortunately, some will just dismiss whatever disagrees with their existing world-view.

Post Covid, ”science/scientific research” has been largely ruined.
I used to believe doctors, scientists & experts.

Now I find myself more often believe in “follow the money”. A sad and cynical time I find myself and millions of others in.

Can you blame them?

Ventilators that kill people? Masks proven ineffective? Overpriced mostly ineffective vaccinations with built in kick backs for those who took them Given to children with literally 0% chance of dying?

Those were all pushed by scientists.

My mother received $10’s of thousands of dollars in cancer treatments and lived less than a year. Her quality of life in that year was terrible. Chemo & radiation. All peer reviewed, I’m sure.

Money & fame is all it seems people seek now.

 

[John_Mc]

I've seen those conspiracy theories as well. Most have been thoroughly debunked.

Frankly, I'll believe someone who has devoted their life to working in a field long before I'll believe 99% of the conspiracy theory crap that shows up on the internet - I particularly don't trust articles that don't cite their sources or those that cite sources but cherry pick quotes out-of context or misleadingly edit quotes to create an impression other than what the source indicates. Another big one are the articles which try to dodge and outright lie by posing it as a question ("could it be that...")

 

[5030]

Truth be told, a ton of new trucks were sold the past 3 years.

When I'm motoring down the road, I do see quite a few late model (and overpriced) trucks and I think to myself... There goes yet another fat payment book with the finance company getting wealthy and the owner, owning a depreciating investment which is in reality, the poorest investment one can make.

You'll never see a late model vehicle in this driveway, never. I have much better ways of investing the funds I have. There is almost no return on investment on any vehicle except in very rare instances. For the most part, they are all losers.