Will UAW Strike?

[lilranch2001]

95% of the time I have bought new, and typically keep it for long-term use.
My current truck is a 2014 purchased new and I know what service has them has not been done to it and what abuse hasn’t has not been given to it.
Depreciation has been averaged out over almost 10 years and will continue so the investment value is there because I know what care has been given to that vehicle

 

[BobInSD]

EV owners shift the pollution problem from the individual to the big corporation.

#Virtue

Not entirely. They move more than 100% of the pollution to big corporations/battery production, etc (not to mention slave labor digging up the metals). They somehow manage to shift a whole 'nother sizeable chunk of pollution to out by my dad's place in Colorado where the coal that actually propels their coal fired vehicles is actually burned. It makes no economic or environmental sense whatsoever*, but "government incentives" or something.

*In the short term. In the long term we need just enough early-adopters to buy them and get the kinks worked out so that when their eventual role in the grand scheme of things settles out we can do it correctly

For those who buy an EV thinking they are "saving" the planet or the environment I agree. However it might be better to concentrate the pollution at one source, coal burner power plant, than spread the pollution around the cities and towns.

Better for the folks that live in cities and towns, I guess.

I don’t know…..
I would think thinly-spread pollution might be a better solution than concentrated in one spot. The people living in that heavily polluted one spot would be crying that they are being unfairly treated?

That's OK. Them are poor people living in flyover country. They don't even count.

 

[bnold]

You do realize while you’re correct EVs could help city air pollution, that charging EVs is nearly impossible in cities


There’s something to be said for keeping it simple. Fences help keep people from crossing borders. Biological males cannot have babies. Parents want their kids to be educated, not indoctrinated. And yes, EV’s are charged with and manufactured with fossil fuels (and child/slave labor) while we build ICE vehicles in our own country using highly paid and largely safe labor.

But “virtue“ is so strong to these people and their “intellect” is so amazing that they can’t get their heads out of their a____s long enough to see that.



I know very few people who “stop at a fuel station every other day”. Even my 14 MPG Ram gets refueled every 7-10 days. Lol

Most EV owners live in cities, must not be too impossible. I’d imagine an electric car that couldn’t be charged wouldn’t sell many units.

I average 850-1,000 miles every Monday-Thursday. My Ram with 50gal tank can’t even handle that in one tank. The little F150 before couldn’t make 2 full days.

Slave labor… opens up a much broader foreign manufacturing/mining discussion for many product types.

 

[bnold]

I see somebody actually liked it, so somebody understands his hieroglyphics

I’ll break out my Crayolas next time.

Sorry it was hard for you.

 

[Hay Dude]

Most EV owners live in cities, must not be too impossible. I’d imagine an electric car that couldn’t be charged wouldn’t sell many units.

Really? Then they must not be cities with driveways and garages, cause I don’t know where you are recharging at home. Most people in cities live stacked vertically. Few parking garages have more than a few, if any chargers. I’m in Philly all the time and my son and his girlfriend live there. I see none except those commuting into the city then back to the burbs where it’s safe.

All the EV’s I see are rich white people in the suburbs that virtue signal while they make sure they race & beat everyone with a ICE vehicle from one light to the next. Probably don’t have the common sense to know that means more charging & more fossil fuels wasted.

I average 850-1,000 miles every Monday-Thursday. My Ram with 50gal tank can’t even handle that in one tank. The little F150 before couldn’t make 2 full days.

Slave labor… opens up a much broader foreign manufacturing/mining discussion for many product types.

Yeah ok, show me the slave labor to build ICE vehicles. There’s ample resources on little African kids mining with sticks to fetch your cobalt.

 

[bnold]

Really? Then they must not be cities with driveways and garages, cause I don’t know where you are recharging at home. Most people in cities live stacked vertically. Few parking garages have more than a few, if any chargers. I’m in Philly all the time and my son and his girlfriend live there. I see none except those commuting into the city then back to the burbs where it’s safe.

All the EV’s I see are rich white people in the suburbs that virtue signal while they make sure they race & beat everyone with a ICE vehicle from one light to the next. Probably don’t have the common sense to know that means more charging & more fossil fuels wasted.


Yeah ok, show me the slave labor to build ICE vehicles. There’s ample resources on little African kids mining with sticks to fetch your cobalt.

~70% attached/detached homes in US
~25% MultiFamily homes/apartments in US

~86% of US population in metropolitan areas


What is your argument?

Here is something to level out your racial bias, seems like it is the rich Asians in San Fran. Recall the US race % makeup when studying the chart.

https://www.spglobal.com/mobility/...ro-area-hits-50-electrified-vehicle-regi.html


Slave labor… how about clothes? Ever wear those? Or coffee, or gold, or diamonds.

 

[lilranch2001]

I’ll break out my Crayolas next time.

Sorry it was hard for you.

That’s good, I’ve never been good at understanding “rambling on with a very unclear message” before!

 

[Hay Dude]

~70% attached/detached homes in US
~25% MultiFamily homes/apartments in US

~86% of US population in metropolitan areas


What is your argument?

Here is something to level out your racial bias, seems like it is the rich Asians in San Fran. Recall the US race % makeup when studying the chart.

First-ever major US metro area hits 50% electrified vehicle registrations in March


Slave labor… how about clothes? Ever wear those? Or coffee, or gold, or diamonds.

Keep up the insulting while convincing yourself.

It only makes you look bad.

As of 2020, owners of EVs were predominantly middle-aged white men earning more than $100,000 per year.

• Men make up 75% of individuals who purchase battery-electric vehicles (BEVs).
• People aged 55+ make up 53.6% of BEV owners.
• Those earning $100,000+ annually make up 57% of BEV owners.
• 87% of EV owners in the U.S. are white.

Like I said, rich older white people.

What is your point again?

 

[Hay Dude]

Maybe a little more enlightenment for you

Electric cars are great for U.S. suburbs; cities, not so much

New York City is not well suited to electric cars, apparently.

www.greencarreports.com

 

[QRTRHRS]

Back when I drove big trucks, our yard was just north of the Jeep plant on Stickney Avenue and at noon, you didn't want to be driving down Stickney headed north bound because there was always a mass exodus from Jeep, headed to the convenience store and filling station on Stickney and Matzinger road. It was like the Indy 500 at noon when the Jeep workers would fly to the convenience store to get their big bottles of beer and sit in the parking lot and smoke dope for 1/2 hour and then go back to work higher than a kite. Was an everyday at noon thing.

Same deal at Fords in Saline, Michigan but instead of going to the convenience store, they would go out at lunchtime and sit in the employees outside lounge area and smoke dope and Fords never said boo crap. I used to deliver steel there and observed them. I guess Fords figured if they were stoned, they would be more productive, I guess. Of course now grass is legal here in Michigan but I imagine the same deal goes on.

I know some of the workers at both Jeep and Fords, saline and to a person they are basically lazy people who do as little as possible to keep their cushy jobs. That in a nutshell is why I'm not pro union. Unions always protect marginal employees.

In my working career, I delivered steel to just about every automotive plant in the Michigan, Ohio and Indiana area plus all the 2nd and 3rd tier suppliers and I'm here to tell you that the authorized suppliers who were almost all non union, the employees actually worked.

Think I told this before but I used to deliver sheet steel to Chrysler, Trenton Engine plant and the only way you could get unloaded was you had to buy stale doughnuts from the crane operator supervisor. If you didn't, you could sit there all day twiddling your thumbs. I always bought 2 stale sliders and tossed them on the rail tracks. 2 for 5 bucks, what a deal. Kind of the same deal at Fords Rouge assembly but instead of bankrolling the crane operator, you had to be EXACTLY on your pre arranged appointment time, not a minute early or late or you got to sit all day while they unloaded trucks around you.

Least I got paid hourly after sitting for the first hour so it wasn't a total loss for me. Most steel haulers were paid by the hundredweight so if they sat, they were screwed.

That all gave me a very bad opinion of unions in general.

Bethlehem Steel, Sparrows Point (Baltimore, MD) flat sheets and coils. You had to buy apples to get your load. At least the apples were fresh. Not sure if there is anything left there or not but the beam plant in Bethlehem, PA is no more.

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

Post Covid, ”science/scientific research” has been largely ruined.
I used to believe doctors, scientists & experts.

Now I find myself more often believe in “follow the money”. A sad and cynical time I find myself and millions of others in.

Can you blame them?

Ventilators that kill people? Masks proven ineffective? Overpriced mostly ineffective vaccinations with built in kick backs for those who took them Given to children with literally 0% chance of dying?

Those were all pushed by scientists.

My mother received 100’s of thousands in cancer treatments and lived less than a year. Her quality of life in that year was terrible. Chemo & radiation. All peer reviewed, I’m sure.

Money & fame is all it seems people seek now.

I saw another advertisement for the "updated" vax with a bunch of liberal celebs touting it. People aren't getting ill or dropping dead. But excess deaths are on the rise according to life insurance companies, and infant mortality has risen for the first time in two decades. So, we have that.

 

[lman]

I've seen those conspiracy theories as well. Most have been thoroughly debunked.

Frankly, I'll believe someone who has devoted their life to working in a field long before I'll believe 99% of the conspiracy theory crap that shows up on the internet - I particularly don't trust articles that don't cite their sources or those that cite sources but cherry pick quotes out-of context or misleadingly edit quotes to create an impression other than what the source indicates. Another big one are the articles which try to dodge and outright lie by posing it as a question ("could it be that...")

I initially believed that the Covid vaccination stopped Covid, but I got it a couple of months after being vaccinated and saw that most of the people that were vaccinated got Covid. It doesn't take a scientist to figure out that the gov't was pumping out misinformation, so obviously I won't fall for their lies again. I'm sure Pfizer and Moderna appreciates the governments help. I guess that's not a conspiracy since those are the facts that I have witnessed.

 

[Hay Dude]

I initially believed that the Covid vaccination stopped Covid, but I got it a couple of months after being vaccinated and saw that most of the people that were vaccinated got Covid. It doesn't take a scientist to figure out that the gov't was pumping out misinformation, so obviously I won't fall for their lies again. I'm sure Pfizer and Moderna appreciates the governments help. I guess that's not a conspiracy since those are the facts that I have witnessed.

Pfizer & Moderna stock values have dropped like 60-75% since the height of the plandemic. IMO, If they didn’t have immunity from being sued for vaccine related injuries, they’d both be bankrupt.

 

[Hay Dude]

I've seen those conspiracy theories as well. Most have been thoroughly debunked.

Frankly, I'll believe someone who has devoted their life to working in a field long before I'll believe 99% of the conspiracy theory crap that shows up on the internet - I particularly don't trust articles that don't cite their sources or those that cite sources but cherry pick quotes out-of context or misleadingly edit quotes to create an impression other than what the source indicates. Another big one are the articles which try to dodge and outright lie by posing it as a question ("could it be that...")

Which conspiracy theories have you seen debunked?

 

[Hay Dude]

I saw another advertisement for the "updated" vax with a bunch of liberal celebs touting it. People aren't getting ill or dropping dead. But excess deaths are on the rise according to life insurance companies, and infant mortality has risen for the first time in two decades. So, we have that.

When you have to hire an NFL superstar to peddle your product, you know it needs help.
I’m seeing like 2% vax rates now?
Wonder if the big guy will be pushing it this winter like in the past.

 

[lilranch2001]

When you have to hire an NFL superstar to peddle your product, you know it needs help.
I’m seeing like 2% vax rates now?
Wonder if the big guy will be pushing it this winter like in the past.

I fell for getting the jab the first three times, but I’m not gonna get anymore

 

[Hay Dude]

I can half way understand getting it for the elderly, sickly, etc.
That is probably it’s highest & best use.

Children?
Healthy adults?

I had to get vaccinated to see my daughter play college field hockey. Stadiums required a vaccine passport to enter. I had to - guilt/pressure. I got the JJ 1 timer because it wasn’t MNRA. Might have something else in it to kill me prematurely later, but I did what I had to do.

Makes you wonder what will happen if a REAL pandemic hits and now 90% of the population is skeptical of another vax. We are in a tough spot now.

This is the price we have to pay when one side is presented as truth (vaxers) and the other side is called “conspiracy theorists”.

 

[ultrarunner]

It's being rolled out again and public already at odds quarreling...

See it everyday of the last 4 in my medical setting.

It's difficult for rational people to accept knowing a lot of what transpired happened on the fly and then seeing those making the rules skirting them.

Unions were for the most part complicit with few standing up for their members not in lockstep.

We lost key medical personnel who said enough is enough and don't kid yourself that moves out of California were not influenced by California statewide and local policy.

Tesla pushed back and paid a price and Musk said it was impetus for expanding out of California and creating auto worker jobs outside of California.

 

[Mtsoxfan]

Just saw on CBS morning news, the car show in Japan(?) talking about the future of EV's, and they say by 2028, the batteries will be solid state, charging times of 10 minutes, and a 700 mile range. I'll be 67, so I doubt I'll be towing anything. (a big turnoff of today's EV's) Not sure if I will be in the market of a new car, but I'd have an open mind with those details...

 

[Hay Dude]

Just saw on CBS morning news, the car show in Japan(?) talking about the future of EV's, and they say by 2028, the batteries will be solid state, charging times of 10 minutes, and a 700 mile range. I'll be 67, so I doubt I'll be towing anything. (a big turnoff of today's EV's) Not sure if I will be in the market of a new car, but I'd have an open mind with those details...

That would change my thinking for sure on the practicality, but the other issues still exist.