Found a coyote, I think

[Raspy]

I just got the results from a second DNA test on Mica. Here are the two test results side by side.

As mentioned, I have no idea how accurate these tests are and Mica looks much more like a German Shepherd than a Border Collie or Cattle Dog. I've also added a picture of her at 4.5 months.

She is turning out to be a very sweet and intelligent dog.

 

[dodge man]

It’s tough to tell by looking, my daughter had that done and the results weren’t what you’d guess

 

[Raspy]

It’s tough to tell by looking, my daughter had that done and the results weren’t what you’d guess

Beautiful story. And now it turns out Mica is very similar to Sandy. Further evidence that coyotes are just basically wild dogs.

 

[Rockbadchild]

Don't mix up DNA and genes, you could have much more DNA of something but its the gene of a small portion of DNA that came out although the DNA is there for the future generation its the selective genes that dictates physical traits. Some genes are dominant so they will come out more dominantly even if its is a small part of its DNA. So she could get the hair type from the terrier, the main color of the golden and the patches of the colie.

 

[2LaneCruzer]

I recall seeing a documentary that studied the difference between domestic dogs and their wild counterparts. The conclusion I remember, was that domestic dogs have evolved genetically as a companion to man, and it enables them to anticipate various situations and live harmoniously...coyotes and wolves not so, they still retain their independence. Sorry, no citation.

 

[Rockbadchild]

i find this one to be pretty good to explain the hypothesis

 

[2LaneCruzer]

i find this one to be pretty good to explain the hypothesis

Good one!

Puppy and toddler found in 2,000-year-old burial

The ancient puppy's collar had a bell on it.

www.livescience.com

I recall reading that the ancient Romans believed puppies had healing powers.

 

[garry1p]

Wonderful insightful story about Sandy.

My coyote story;

I few years ago I was cutting a small field on the tractor when what I thought what was a dog just sitting and watching me, it showed no fear. As I cut closer the critter stood up but it did not run and turned out to be a three legged coyote.
When I finished cutting and headed back to the house he was still sitting there watching me.
In this field there are lots of field mice and it appeared the coyote was just waiting for me to finish up so he could fetch his dinner. I had never seen this coyote on my property before or since.
I know they are here but you very seldom see one.
I have often wondered how he lost his leg and then managed to survive and why in the world would he not run when he saw me unless someone in the area was throwing him scraps and he came to not fear people.

No, I would not shoot a coyote just because I had a chance although I know people that would.

 

[drssg]

Wonderful insightful story about Sandy.

My coyote story;

I few years ago I was cutting a small field on the tractor when what I thought what was a dog just sitting and watching me, it showed no fear. As I cut closer the critter stood up but it did not run and turned out to be a three legged coyote.
When I finished cutting and headed back to the house he was still sitting there watching me.
In this field there are lots of field mice and it appeared the coyote was just waiting for me to finish up so he could fetch his dinner. I had never seen this coyote on my property before or since.
I know they are here but you very seldom see one.
I have often wondered how he lost his leg and then managed to survive and why in the world would he not run when he saw me unless someone in the area was throwing him scraps and he came to not fear people.

No, I would not shoot a coyote just because I had a chance although I know people that would.

I've seen various animals act more confident around tractor equipment than around a person on foot.

I'm not too surprised that it could survive with three legs.

I used to board a horse at a local stable. One day, I saw a deer walking along a tree line, and it was missing about half of one front leg. She looked pathetic rearing up every stride just to take another step. I thought that it would be more humane to put her out of her misery, but it wasn't my place, so I let it be.

The following spring, I saw what I think was the same deer in the same place with the same gait. The only difference was that she had a fawn walking behind her. She was obviously surviving and doing pretty well with three legs.

 

[Raspy]

i find this one to be pretty good to explain the hypothesis

Thanks for posting this.

 

[Rockbadchild]

Good one!

Puppy and toddler found in 2,000-year-old burial

The ancient puppy's collar had a bell on it.

www.livescience.com

I recall reading that the ancient Romans believed puppies had healing powers.

perhaps, but to me the puppy was place for the baby to grow up with it in the afterlife, early Roman where all cremated, then after the invasion of Egypt the Romans adopted Egyptian rituals and burial practices this is observe in post Egypt roman invasion burial sites ... they went from being cremated to be buried with offerings to being mummified in a roman sarcophagus with elaborately crafted artwork, some of which where Egyptian symbols, very odd how powerful the Egyptian religion was to have such of a influence to the Roman. This baby definitely came from status.

 

[cricket185]

Raspy, such an incredible post. Just finished reading all the posts. What an adventure. Tha
Nk you

 

[Rockbadchild]

with respect to dogs, what is wild? What is domestic? What is pure?

This is my personal take

I believe any type of animal can be domesticated but you have to start early enough like you had before their eyes open. You pretty much prove that it can be done but not every animal can become domesticated. Like humans every animals has its own personality and some personality simply can't (shouldn't) be tame. In the wild natural selection dose the selection so the genes that get transmitted will be the one that is the most likely to survive or breed, the skittish, the aggressive, the fast and the smarts (survival traits) will be the most likely to get past on. So what is wild something skittish and aggressive. What we did with the ancestor of the wolf was we selected and breed the most sociable and less scared or by contrast the most brave or willing, over a few generations of breading the preferable behaviors and leaving out the undesirable behaviors until you have something easy to work with AKA the modern dogs. You where lucky with that coyote, for its age that you found it and its personality.

what is pure? and how dog breeds came about ?? well that's a complicated question and expert don't even know but that's my theory... pure bred is subjective to the traits, personality and appearance of a animal and accentuate these traits and calling it a breed. Once in a while you get abnormally in physical and behavioral traits that comes out, by training and breeding the same traits they become more prevalent and accentuated (more dominant and less variation) plus by doing the same activity (training) over generations there is learning from observation (from parents (mother and father)) evolution from the same repetitive activities and there is a theory about communication between cells that so a ingrain memory pass down from the mother. As these preferable traits become more prevalent they become more stable (predictable) some of these traits comes with genetic diseases or flaws as well and yes inbreeding is a issue as well it's something the past generations didn't understand.

So wild is treacherous, timid, stubborn and antisocial
domesticated is loyal, willing and social
Pure bred is predictability in personality and physical traits.

New Genetic Study Shows the Origin of Dog Breeds

There are 400 breeds in total, including 23 distinct “clades” or types.

bigthink.com

 

[Raspy]

We visited Sandy again yesterday. The last time was two years ago. She is now twelve years old and doing fine. A little nervous, likely because she lost her mate, Shorty, about three years ago and has not gotten over it. She has been moved to a new enclosure that sees less of the public walking by and they are going to introduce her to a new possible mate. The woman at Southwest that takes care of her said coyotes are the hardest animal to find mates for. They are the most particular and they mate for life.

She remembered us, as always, and was very gentle. Her sincere and curious nature showed up once again. It makes it hard to see her because we always want to bring her home. Here are a few pix:

 

[cricket185]

Raspy, Thank you for the update. She looks great. Your posts have changed my perception of these animals. Thank you

 

[Cub 7274]

Wonderful pictures of Sandy