I love electric vehicles. But increasingly I feel duped

[tradosaurus]

I disagree. We have to do something about it. We have to stop it from getting worse and try to reverse it.

That’s true.

Wish in one hand, sheet in the other. See which one gets filled first.

There's a powerful club running the world and you and I ain't in it.

 

[tradosaurus]

Seriously? What do you do when your hot water heating is leaking, walk away or shut off the main?

Seriously? Since I can fix it or have it fixed I take care of it.
Are you seriously comparing a broken water heater to the 30+ trillion national debt that keeps growing?

 

[Fuddyduddy1952]

Both are tanked.

 

[DarkBlack]

Yeah, hes doing a great job as a putin social justice warrior whether it’s on purpose or not.

What the f…?

 

[Hay Dude]

What the f…?

I know exactly what you mean.

 

[Pixguy]

Seriously? Since I can fix it or have it fixed I take care of it.
Are you seriously comparing a broken water heater to the 30+ trillion national debt that keeps growing?

You have no say in the leadership in this country who continue to overspend?

 

[plowhog]

You have no say in the leadership in this country

Greece is the canary in the coal mine. I have not looked at these circumstances for a while-- so I am likely close on the facts but maybe not perfect. (correct me if you wish.)

The politicians there amassed a huge debt, kept spending, and used the age-old tactics of blaming their predecessors. Kept spending and spending.

Then it got really bad, huge debt, then ugly, and the entire economy almost imploded. The Greek politicians kept spending and blaming the predecessors. I believe it was the IMF that rushed in and acted as a financial backstop to prevent the implosion. And imposed austerity measures the Greek people very much disliked.

My take is the Greek politicians and American politicians are quite alike as humans, people, and political animals. So I presume if "their" politicians kept spending like drunken sailors, even in an extreme crisis, "ours" will do the same.

Except there is no IMF or entity large enough to act as a backstop for us.

 

[Hay Dude]

Greece is the canary in the coal mine. I have not looked at these circumstances for a while-- so I am likely close on the facts but maybe not perfect. (correct me if you wish.)

The politicians there amassed a huge debt, kept spending, and used the age-old tactics of blaming their predecessors. Kept spending and spending.

Then it got really bad, huge debt, then ugly, and the entire economy almost imploded. The Greek politicians kept spending and blaming the predecessors. I believe it was the IMF that rushed in and acted as a financial backstop to prevent the implosion. And imposed austerity measures the Greek people very much disliked.

My take is the Greek politicians and American politicians are quite alike as humans, people, and political animals. So I presume if "their" politicians kept spending like drunken sailors, even in an extreme crisis, "ours" will do the same.

Except there is no IMF or entity large enough to act as a backstop for us.

You can feel it coming. It’ll happen suddenly, but its been building for quite some time now.
We aren’t free men anymore.

 

[plowhog]

You can feel it coming.

My grandfather said things were better when he was young.
My father said things were better when he was young.
I believe things were better when I was young.

So, on one hand, maybe it is a rite of passage.

But the difference is-- today we have a $34T debt. My dad and grandfather did not.

 

[plowhog]

Seems the tax authorities have discovered electric vehicles. This article states that a trend is developing to add more taxes to EV owners. I was wondering when the movement would start to collect such fees in order to:
- build more charging stations,
- recoup the incentive provided to buy the EV in the first place.

EV tax credits are widespread – but extra fees are just as common

Many countries are trying to nudge drivers to adopt electric vehicles. Yet they're also levying extra taxes on them. What's going on?

www.bbc.com

As I contemplate an EV in California, I am mindful of "income based pricing." The more you earn, the higher rate you pay for electricity-- subsidizing the lower wage earners. So my neighbor could drive the same vehicle almost for free while I pay through the nose-- thanks!

The statistics presented are entirely misleading. $85/mo for a high wage earner? Surely that is only a base rate with usage fees added on top?

We pay +/- $300/mo for a CA property that is occupied less than half the time. We have LED lights and other energy saving measures but the monthly bill is still high in comparison. And that is before we contemplate owning an EV that needs to be charged.

From the article:

• Above $180,000: $85/month
• $69,000 - $180,000: $51/month
• $28,000 - $69,000: $20/month
• Less than $28,000: $15/month

New California laws 2024: Income-based electric bills

California residents might soon find their electric bills to be reflective of income, rather than actual electricity usage, under this new state law.

www.foxla.com

 

[Hay Dude]

My grandfather said things were better when he was young.
My father said things were better when he was young.
I believe things were better when I was young.

So, on one hand, maybe it is a rite of passage.

But the difference is-- today we have a $34T debt. My dad and grandfather did not.

I don’t think the average ice cream cone licking dolt realizes or really even cares what 34 trillion does to inflation OR national security

 

[tradosaurus]

You have no say in the leadership in this country who continue to overspend?

Given the last presidential election that was obviously and proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was rigged, no I don't have a say in the leadership in this country. The Supreme Court and Congress was OK with the rigged system.

The only way this country can be put on the path to morality and responsibility is to have a president willing to uphold the Constitution and according to the morals of the Bible, to bring to trial all those politicians and judges that are committing treason.

 

[tradosaurus]

I don’t think the average ice cream cone licking dolt realizes or really even cares what 34 trillion does to inflation OR national security

I think the word "trillion" is so large as to be difficult to grasp. It just become a word describing a number so large that most people, myself included, can't grasp.

 

[scootr]

They are still pushing the EV mandate upon us. 2 headlines caught my eye this AM.
1. Heavy EVs blamed for huge spike in potholes
2.

Californians Paying 140% More For Electricity than Other States​

 

[3930dave]

...it's always a race to the bottom.

The long arc of giving PRC favored nation status is close to completion....

Re. the thread topic..... we are now handing over the last remaining Can/USA manufacturing sector.

A select few got rich doing this.... all I know is it wasn't me.

Rgds, D.

 

[3930dave]

Seems the tax authorities have discovered electric vehicles. This article states that a trend is developing to add more taxes to EV owners. I was wondering when the movement would start to collect such fees in order to:
- build more charging stations,
- recoup the incentive provided to buy the EV in the first place.

EV tax credits are widespread – but extra fees are just as common

Many countries are trying to nudge drivers to adopt electric vehicles. Yet they're also levying extra taxes on them. What's going on?

www.bbc.com

As I contemplate an EV in California, I am mindful of "income based pricing." The more you earn, the higher rate you pay for electricity-- subsidizing the lower wage earners. So my neighbor could drive the same vehicle almost for free while I pay through the nose-- thanks!

The statistics presented are entirely misleading. $85/mo for a high wage earner? Surely that is only a base rate with usage fees added on top?

We pay +/- $300/mo for a CA property that is occupied less than half the time. We have LED lights and other energy saving measures but the monthly bill is still high in comparison. And that is before we contemplate owning an EV that needs to be charged.

From the article:

• Above $180,000: $85/month
• $69,000 - $180,000: $51/month
• $28,000 - $69,000: $20/month
• Less than $28,000: $15/month

New California laws 2024: Income-based electric bills

California residents might soon find their electric bills to be reflective of income, rather than actual electricity usage, under this new state law.

www.foxla.com

Do you have a problem with this, Komrad ? You might need a re-education camp excursion.

When people were crowing about how cheap EVs were to drive, my response was - Just Wait. Even most govts aren't stupid enough to totally destroy THE major tangible product (oil) tax revenue stream, before ramping the next one that people can't move and survive w/o.

Rgds, D.

 

[two_bit_score]

Tyson will have a lot of closed retail stores keeping their closed plant workers company in the unemployment line.

• At least 20 major retailers have said they're closing US stores in 2023, amounting to 2,847 locations.
• Rite Aid is the latest chain planning to close stores, joining a list that includes Amazon and Walmart.
• Bed Bath & Beyond closed 896 locations amid bankruptcy — the most of any retailer on the list.

 

[Hay Dude]

The Dollar Tree store is closing 1000 locations.

https://www.fastcompany.com/91058039/dollar-tree-closing-stores-family-dollar-list-grows-2024

 

[Pixguy]

The Dollar Tree store is closing 1000 locations.

https://www.fastcompany.com/91058039/dollar-tree-closing-stores-family-dollar-list-grows-2024

Don't worry it's an election year so the msm will bury most negative economy stories to help their guy.

 

[Hay Dude]

Apparently Dollar Tree’s prices have increased to the point where their economy-minded customers can’t afford their new higher prices.

That‘s when you know life is getting too expensive to sustain.