I did not hear that John Deere is starting to move production out of USA. FOR some model tractors

[Deleted member 367166]

Seeing some things that indicate Deere is backing off DEI.

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Seeing some things that indicate Deere is backing off DEI.

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But for a small manipulation, DEI could have been DIE.
Prolly why they changed the acronym letters around.

 

[Deleted member 367166]

You say anything bad about Deere on Green Tractor Talk, and they'll banish you to the politics forum, which is buried under three layers of bullshirt.

 

[TBob42]

I haven't bought anything Green in a long time. The only JD product I have is an old LA100 mower.
They lost me at the beginning of the 'right to repair battle' It's just a C/S way to do business. Even the slightest issue requires a tech to drive seventy miles to read the software and make one little entry. It's absolute rubbish.
Now they're abandoning the workers that have given them great service and profits, so they can hire people for less than a US living wage. I'd buy a Mahindra before I'd buy another JD product.

 

[Ricn]

I too would not like it if having JD. JD seems to have enough buyers though; maybe they are ok with being locked out of their tractors computers.

 

[jyoutz]

I too would not like it if having JD. JD seems to have enough buyers though; maybe they are ok with being locked out of their tractors computers.

Since the large acreage specialized equipment is so expensive today, I wonder if a lot more is being leased. If so, maybe it doesn’t matter because the dealership is responsible for the maintenance.

 

[rScotty]

SNIP....
Now they're abandoning the workers that have given them great service and profits, so they can hire people for less than a US living wage. I'd buy a Mahindra before I'd buy another JD product.

Why? What has Mahindra done for US factory workers that JD has not?

 

[rScotty]

I too would not like it if having JD. JD seems to have enough buyers though; maybe they are ok with being locked out of their tractors computers.

Maybe you are right about that.....It seems there are more than enough buyers who don't mind being locked out of repairing their tractors. After all, repair isn't simple anymore. Almost anyone can set valves, time injection or do other mechanical chores. We learned it in shop class if not at home.

But is repairing a computer the same? I don't know enough about JD's computers and their proprietary computer language to do any good if I did have access. And I'm pretty sure that each manufacturer is different anyway.

Maybe repairable machinery will be popular again someday.
What would it take to make that happen?

 

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Maybe you are right about that.....It seems there are more than enough buyers who don't mind being locked out of repairing their tractors. After all, repair isn't simple anymore. Almost anyone can set valves, time injection or do other mechanical chores. We learned it in shop class if not at home.

But is repairing a computer the same? I don't know enough about JD's computers and their proprietary computer language to do any good if I did have access. And I'm pretty sure that each manufacturer is different anyway.

Maybe repairable machinery will be popular again someday.
What would it take to make that happen?

About as much chance of getting repairable cars.
If you follow the song “In the Year 2525”, we aren’t gonna have to use our arms or legs anyway.

 

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Why? What has Mahindra done for US factory workers that JD has not?

I don’t know the comparisons but what Mahindra does do is they are always trying to upskill their employees.
This entails workers allowed and encouraged to learn new skills on assembly, production and engineering.
Increased pay scales come along.
They do this for all of their employees here and over seas.

 

[Fixastuff]

Seems like everyone is either woke or reverse woke. A company makes people mad either way lol. Just buy the best tractor for you and let others do the same. No social justice warrioring needed.

The ag stuff that makes JD most of its money is so different than 90% of the equipment people use here, they don’t have a clue about it.

 

[jyoutz]

Seems like everyone is either woke or reverse woke. A company makes people mad either way lol. Just buy the best tractor for you and let others do the same. No social justice warrioring needed.

The ag stuff that makes JD most of its money is so different than 90% of the equipment people use here, they don’t have a clue about it.

True. The precision farming techniques that are used today to increase productivity rely on computer controls. Few profitable farms are still doing things the way that granddad did.

 

[Quaffer]

What has Mahindra done for US factory workers that JD has not?

Did they fire a buckload of US based factory workers like Juan Deere did?

 

[rScotty]

True. The precision farming techniques that are used today to increase productivity rely on computer controls. Few profitable farms are still doing things the way that granddad did.

It's a big country. Computers might be popular for corporate farming in the midwest & sourthwest, but there are still plenty of farms around here doing things the way grandad did. And a lot of them are still using grandad era tractors and implements.
We spent a few months last fall in in Oregon, Washington, and Idaho visiting friends on family farms. Sure enough, they were mostly using older tractors there too. Not many of them were Deeres, though.
rScotty

 

[jyoutz]

It's a big country. Computers might be popular for corporate farming in the midwest & sourthwest, but there are still plenty of farms around here doing things the way grandad did. And a lot of them are still using grandad era tractors and implements.
We spent a few months last fall in in Oregon, Washington, and Idaho visiting friends on family farms. Sure enough, they were mostly using older tractors there too. Not many of them were Deeres, though.
rScotty

For sure, but they aren’t the people who are doing the precision farming on thousands of acres. Those are the people with the highly computerized Deere equipment.

 

[rScotty]

For sure, but they aren’t the people who are doing the precision farming on thousands of acres. Those are the people with the highly computerized Deere equipment.

You're probably right about the big Deere equipment. On the way back from the coast we went through southeastern Arizona just because we never had. To my surprise, we found mile after mile of HUGE irrigated farms stretching for through entire valleys - occasionally interrupted with new towns built with houses all alike.

The ag field equipment is 100% brand new JD - mostly on tracks, instead of wheels - and a lot of the tractors are the size of earthmovers.

It would take a lot of family farms to equal just one of those giants - but then we do still have lots of family farms. So maybe we are OK.

rScotty

 

[Ken]

You're probably right about the big Deere equipment. On the way back from the coast we went through southeastern Arizona just because we never had. To my surprise, we found mile after mile of HUGE irrigated farms stretching for through entire valleys - occasionally interrupted with new towns built with houses all alike.

The ag field equipment is 100% brand new JD - mostly on tracks, instead of wheels - and a lot of the tractors are the size of earthmovers.

It would take a lot of family farms to equal just one of those giants - but then we do still have lots of family farms. So maybe we are OK.

rScotty

There are several farms and some ranches that list as for sale 100 section ranch or drive carefully you are on ***ranch next 25 miles.

 

[jyoutz]

You're probably right about the big Deere equipment. On the way back from the coast we went through southeastern Arizona just because we never had. To my surprise, we found mile after mile of HUGE irrigated farms stretching for through entire valleys - occasionally interrupted with new towns built with houses all alike.

The ag field equipment is 100% brand new JD - mostly on tracks, instead of wheels - and a lot of the tractors are the size of earthmovers.

It would take a lot of family farms to equal just one of those giants - but then we do still have lots of family farms. So maybe we are OK.

rScotty

I’m glad that we still have a mix of family and corporate farms. NM is a real mixed bag. In the southern part of the state we have huge corporate farms that grow pecans, chile, onions and melons. In the eastern part, huge industrial farms growing alfalfa for the huge industrial dairies. But lots of small family farms growing the same crops at smaller scales.

 

[rScotty]

I’m glad that we still have a mix of family and corporate farms. NM is a real mixed bag. In the southern part of the state we have huge corporate farms that grow pecans, chile, onions and melons. In the eastern part, huge industrial farms growing alfalfa for the huge industrial dairies. But lots of small family farms growing the same crops at smaller scales.

In Colorado we don't have many big corporate farms. A lot is slighly irrigated- basically dryland farming or mountain hay meadows. Our climate is just a little too cool & dry for big yields.

 

[jyoutz]

In Colorado we don't have many big corporate farms. A lot of dryland farming or mountain hay meadows. Our climate is just a little too cool & dry for big yields.

I’m a bit confused. I’ve seen a lot of large corporate farms in the eastern plains of Colorado. Are they gone now? Huge feedlots with the grain and hay production to support them.