I did not hear that John Deere is starting to move production out of USA. FOR some model tractors

   / I did not hear that John Deere is starting to move production out of USA. FOR some model tractors #61  
SNIP.....

Your second question, people get laid off in every job in America every week. It's very difficult to predict the future market.

Also, we have to remember that they own the store. The company is responsible for prosperous decision making.

I think that a company should be responsible for more than simple prosperous decision making. I think that a public company has obligations to their customers, and to their workers, as well as to prosperous decision making. None of those obligations deserve to be put aside just for profits.

Companies budget for the future market everyday. Downturns are followed by upturns, and I see it as a company's obligation to plan to provide work that retains employees even when sales are down. Laying people off in favor of investors treats workers as chattel.

And yes, I know they own the store. I also know that being a JD stockholder gives me the right to vote and to express my opinion at stockholder meetings. I also promote "The Right to Repair" - which JD corporate does not.

rScotty
 
   / I did not hear that John Deere is starting to move production out of USA. FOR some model tractors #62  
It seems to me that the corporate vs worker system is out of balance. There is too much attention to management pay checks and investor returns - and too little to encouraging the workers who make it all possible. That's not a news flash; everyone I know feels the same.

How in the world did that come about? It sure didn't use to be that way. It used to be that when a company did well, so did the employees.

Having always worked for myself, I may be missing something here. After all, I always had the ability to adjust time and pay. ....

But I know my friends and neighbors. I've watched and listened to them. And I know the are having a hard time the last 40 years or so. Most of them aren't the type to complain for no reason.

It isn't politics - though that does contribute. But I think there is something more. Something important and fundamental has changed in the business world since about the 1960s and 1970s. Slowly but surely, the way that business operates now that is different from back then. It has changed during my working lifetime. But what exactly is different now? And why?

rScotty
It seems to me that the corporate vs worker system is out of balance. There is too much attention to management pay checks and investor returns - and too little to encouraging the workers who make it all possible. That's not a news flash; everyone I know feels the same.

How in the world did that come about? It sure didn't use to be that way. It used to be that when a company did well, so did the employees.

Having always worked for myself, I may be missing something here. After all, I always had the ability to adjust time and pay. ....

But I know my friends and neighbors. I've watched and listened to them. And I know the are having a hard time the last 40 years or so. Most of them aren't the type to complain for no reason.

It isn't politics - though that does contribute. But I think there is something more. Something important and fundamental has changed in the business world since about the 1960s and 1970s. Slowly but surely, the way that business operates now that is different from back then. It has changed during my working lifetime. But what exactly is different now? And why?

rScotty
Good question
I believe it has much to do with the value of money and l am not simply referencing actual inflationary aspects.
Since the 50’s to early 70’s, there was hardly any inflation. As the inflationary aspect took hold, the psychological aspect of the dollar sign took hold as much as the effects of economic meaning.
In other words, one was not satisfied with the actual profit or salary number even if it was sufficient to live on or prosper.
We wanted to see and have bigger numbers for the sake of bigger numbers. We got used to seeing bigger numbers.
That and borrowing money has gotten more and more expensive of late.
 
   / I did not hear that John Deere is starting to move production out of USA. FOR some model tractors #63  
IMO JD is a propriatory company, they make certian things and sell them worldwide. If demand falls JD must move in ways that preserve the company. Yes JD is a huge corp with lots of money, so is Boeing, however, that does not mean they must guarentee anyone a job and last years profit is no guarentee of future profits.
I grew up around Boeing and they hired and fired folks all the time; also layed off large amounts of workers periodically, mostly the lazy ones perhaps. Boeing, like JD also moved some of their manufacturing around the country and even out of the country, same as JD.
If we want perminant work status for any job then your asking for a demise of free enterprise in this country. Before I became an engineer, I worked in the electrical trade, took my 5 year apprenticeship then worked out of the union. Mt Dad told me Son, you will always have a job, he was right. We often got layed off after a project, then signed up for another callout to a new company and project. The difference is, JD is like one contractor with some sub-contractors thrown in making their tractors, here or anywhere else in the world so if wanting to work in that type enviornment, layoffs come with little choice of going to another tractor maker in your howmtown, state or otherwise. In my case, we signed up at the union hall for other work or, could go out of town or to a different state and find work, the beauty of a union that is in every state, unlike JD or Boeing for example.
JD employees a lot of workers and has for years, they are a stock holder corp, they have responsibilities to employees, their welfare, but also to their investors who put one heck of a lot of money in the pot to make tractors and provide jobs, they are entitled to a return on investment if the company make good that year. JD has to juggle all of this to a successful end each year, not an easy task. In the end JD like Boeing, can't be all things to all people, it's free enterprise and we should all work to preserve it over the alternitive systems around the world. What I see as sad, is the continuing inflation the average household must endure, mine included. Cities and Counties raising our taxes to unaffordable heights, $5. gasoline and the push for a green sociaty that will be unsustainable. Many who are young, borrow money they can't or won't pay back just so they can go to a college teaching them nothing but hate then can't get a job much better than Starbucks or starring at some computer screen.
 
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   / I did not hear that John Deere is starting to move production out of USA. FOR some model tractors #64  
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   / I did not hear that John Deere is starting to move production out of USA. FOR some model tractors #66  
So the union didn't strike?

They didn't win?

JD is not moving work to Mexico?
 
   / I did not hear that John Deere is starting to move production out of USA. FOR some model tractors #67  
Dude, they went on strike. (1) They "won" their contract, but it was a (2) pyrrhic victory.

Companies (3) always say nice things about the union to the union employees. (4) I promise you in their meetings they are trying to minimize the damage caused. Part is financial, part is regulations, part is just efficiency.

It won't be all at once, but they will keep moving jobs because (5) the union priced itself out.
(1) Labor contracts are mutually agreed upon.
(2) No side was victorious, everyone won.
(3) Deere told us the good and the bad.
(4) You can't make that promise, you weren't there to hear it.
(5) AGAIN, Deere proposed the contract and the union excepted it. Remember they own the store.
The union can ask for a benefit but Deere makes the decision....Remember? they own the store.
 
   / I did not hear that John Deere is starting to move production out of USA. FOR some model tractors #68  
You apparently don't understand winning and losing. A surrender is also 'mutually' agreed upon.

The union member rejected the deal JD submitted that had been agreed upon by the union bosses. They got more benefits, ergo, JD surrendered and the union won.

The pyrrhic part comes from the further fact that the increased benefits have and will continue to have long term negatives for the rank and file. Jobs will be moved out of union states and out of the US. Other jobs will be eliminated due to a more aggressive approach to automation.
 
   / I did not hear that John Deere is starting to move production out of USA. FOR some model tractors #69  
   / I did not hear that John Deere is starting to move production out of USA. FOR some model tractors #70  
(1) Labor contracts are mutually agreed upon.
(2) No side was victorious, everyone won.
(3) Deere told us the good and the bad.
(4) You can't make that promise, you weren't there to hear it.
(5) AGAIN, Deere proposed the contract and the union excepted it. Remember they own the store.
The union can ask for a benefit but Deere makes the decision....Remember? they own the store.
So is the whole woke agenda mutually agreed upon also? I highly doubt the rank and file JD worker, or customer, is happy with the recent turn to Woke and DEI policies, or the moves to other countries. Hopefully the shareholders as well as customers can get that ship turned around before John May drives it into the ground. You'd like to think he would have learned from Tractor Supply.

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   / I did not hear that John Deere is starting to move production out of USA. FOR some model tractors #71  
The business degrees have infected Deere. People making these decisions are neither engineers nor farmers. They just want to make a spreadsheet look good so they can get their dream job at Apple or wherever. Not good.
 
   / I did not hear that John Deere is starting to move production out of USA. FOR some model tractors #72  
Japan. I had one of those also. Good machines.
Hasn't JD been putting Yanmar engines in their smaller tractors for years?
 
   / I did not hear that John Deere is starting to move production out of USA. FOR some model tractors #74  
Hasn't JD been putting Yanmar engines in their smaller tractors for years?
For a while Yanmar straight up built the smaller units for JD. Supposedly JD makes their own, but they are just like everyone else in the market. They assemble here from parts made all over the world.
 
   / I did not hear that John Deere is starting to move production out of USA. FOR some model tractors #75  
Hasn't JD been putting Yanmar engines in their smaller tractors for years?
Or we could say that JD has been incorporatng some of their own parts and designs in the compact tractors that Yanmar builds for them.
Either way, it has been that way since some time in the 1990s and has worked well.

rScotty
 
   / I did not hear that John Deere is starting to move production out of USA. FOR some model tractors #76  
Or we could say that JD has been incorporatng some of their own parts and designs in the compact tractors that Yanmar builds for them.
Either way, it has been that way since some time in the 1990s and has worked well.

rScotty
Early 80’s.
The 50 series tractors (650,750, 850, etc, etc.) were all built in Japan allegedly to jd specs.
Yanmar attempted to market their own brand with their stuff just about identical to the jd specs so l am unsure where the original design came from meaning jd or Yanmar.
They were good machines a bit light on loader specs but well put together.
I had the 750 and 950.
 
   / I did not hear that John Deere is starting to move production out of USA. FOR some model tractors #77  
The business degrees have infected Deere. People making these decisions are neither engineers nor farmers. They just want to make a spreadsheet look good so they can get their dream job at Apple or wherever. Not good.

Worked for a company years ago that was the largest in its field. All of management from supervisors up had started lower in the company. Even our Division director had started as a material handler.
Then they started hiring management straight out of college who knew nothing about the mechanics of the company. No one was promoted from within. Production tanked. After closing plants in many states the company changed the name of our division and tried to sell it off.
 
   / I did not hear that John Deere is starting to move production out of USA. FOR some model tractors #78  
Early 80’s.
The 50 series tractors (650,750, 850, etc, etc.) were all built in Japan allegedly to jd specs.
Yanmar attempted to market their own brand with their stuff just about identical to the jd specs so l am unsure where the original design came from meaning jd or Yanmar.
They were good machines a bit light on loader specs but well put together.
I had the 750 and 950.
I worked with a US Yanmar dealer in the late 1970s and we stayed good friends down through the years. So I got to see the whole Yanmar/JD transition.

The JD650 through JD1050 models were manual shift tractors very close in features and specifications to the line of lime green (not JD green) tractors that Yanmar produced in the late 1970s.

By 1980, Yanmar had changed most of thier tractor line to have power shift transmissions with integrated power steering. They also changed the paint from lime green to the candy apple red they still use. Yanmar no longer marketed their older manual shift tractors under their own name, but with a few changes they continued to make the older manual transmission tractors now painted JD green for John Deere.

At that time - 1980 - still JD didn't have a compact tractor line at all, and Yanmar was the acknowledged leader in quality compact tractors. Plus Yanmar owned the patent on the bevel gear front axle which made compact 4wd tractors work so well. So JD made a good choice in chosing to sell those older Yanmars - which already had a reputation for being unusually durable tractors.

The partnership ended up in lawsuits about 1990, which JD won. Yanmar had to shut down their USA dealerships and not sell in the US under their own name for a number of years. But they continued to make tractors for JD.

Like JD, Yanmar is a huge international company making lots of different things. I suspect that for both companies their compact tractor line is a tiny percent of their overall manufacturing business.

Hope the history helps,
rScotty
 
   / I did not hear that John Deere is starting to move production out of USA. FOR some model tractors #79  
I worked with a US Yanmar dealer in the late 1970s and we stayed good friends down through the years. So I got to see the whole Yanmar/JD transition.

The JD650 through JD1050 models were manual shift tractors very close in features and specifications to the line of lime green (not JD green) tractors that Yanmar produced in the late 1970s.

By 1980, Yanmar had changed most of thier tractor line to have power shift transmissions with integrated power steering. They also changed the paint from lime green to the candy apple red they still use. Yanmar no longer marketed their older manual shift tractors under their own name, but with a few changes they continued to make the older manual transmission tractors now painted JD green for John Deere.

At that time - 1980 - still JD didn't have a compact tractor line at all, and Yanmar was the acknowledged leader in quality compact tractors. Plus Yanmar owned the patent on the bevel gear front axle which made compact 4wd tractors work so well. So JD made a good choice in chosing to sell those older Yanmars - which already had a reputation for being unusually durable tractors.

The partnership ended up in lawsuits about 1990, which JD won. Yanmar had to shut down their USA dealerships and not sell in the US under their own name for a number of years. But they continued to make tractors for JD.

Like JD, Yanmar is a huge international company making lots of different things. I suspect that for both companies their compact tractor line is a tiny percent of their overall manufacturing business.

Hope the history helps,
rScotty
So jd changed only a few things as “ built to jd specs”. The basic tractor design was Japanese produced and not conceived by jd as my salesman alleged.
Didn’t matter to me.
They were rugged, simple and easy to work on.
Things got crazy when jd wanted almost $400 for a new cast steering knuckle that had split on mine.
I found one at Yesterdays Tractors for $75.
 
   / I did not hear that John Deere is starting to move production out of USA. FOR some model tractors #80  
I worked with a US Yanmar dealer in the late 1970s and we stayed good friends down through the years. So I got to see the whole Yanmar/JD transition.

The JD650 through JD1050 models were manual shift tractors very close in features and specifications to the line of lime green (not JD green) tractors that Yanmar produced in the late 1970s.

By 1980, Yanmar had changed most of thier tractor line to have power shift transmissions with integrated power steering. They also changed the paint from lime green to the candy apple red they still use. Yanmar no longer marketed their older manual shift tractors under their own name, but with a few changes they continued to make the older manual transmission tractors now painted JD green for John Deere.

At that time - 1980 - still JD didn't have a compact tractor line at all, and Yanmar was the acknowledged leader in quality compact tractors. Plus Yanmar owned the patent on the bevel gear front axle which made compact 4wd tractors work so well. So JD made a good choice in chosing to sell those older Yanmars - which already had a reputation for being unusually durable tractors.

The partnership ended up in lawsuits about 1990, which JD won. Yanmar had to shut down their USA dealerships and not sell in the US under their own name for a number of years. But they continued to make tractors for JD.

Like JD, Yanmar is a huge international company making lots of different things. I suspect that for both companies their compact tractor line is a tiny percent of their overall manufacturing business.

Hope the history helps,
rScotty
Very interesting, I had forgotten most of it, and I worked there for many years.
 

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