EV owners of today and tomorrow

[DarkBlack]

You make a good point, but I think your particular demographic is a new one, with the boomers now retiring. Look at your parents generations, retirees were not known for buying new cars in the past. Hell, we used to joke you could pick them out because of the old wrecks they drove.

Sources do show the average age of a new car buyer creeping up, from mid-40's in the early 2000's to over 50 post-COVID, with speculation this change was caused by increasing prices. But one thing that hasn't changed much is that 90% - 93% of new car buyers own their home:

New trucks: 93% own their home
New SUV's: 93% own their home
New sedans: 90% own their home

Again, a car manufacturer is making cars primarily for the people who buy new cars. Concerns over how an apartment dweller might charge their EV are likely not at the top of their list, if only 7% - 10% of new car buyers are renters, and only a fraction of renters are in apartments versus rented houses.

Automotive Trends: New Car Buyer Demographics

Demographics of new car and truck buyers. Who buys new cars or trucks? See new car demographics by age, income, gender and more.

hedgescompany.com

I won’t debate your statistics, but I will, your conclusion. Your conclusion fails to account for many new vehicle purchases either partially, or totally hinge on selling the existing vehicle.
The existing vehicle may be ICE, or may be an EV. In either case, it takes the desire of someone ( dealer to apartment dweller, or apartment dweller directly ) to pay for your existing vehicle to upgrade to new.
If apartment dwellers can’t easily charge a second hand EV, then that hurts the secondary market and indirectly hurts new vehicle sales.
I believe big car companies are in fact, cognizant of their vehicle’s used market demographics and values

 

[BleedingOrange]

ANOTHER HAPPY TESLA OWNER !

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[wawajake]

This past weekend was one of the bigger travel long weekends ( Labour Day weekend Canada) Toronto and Montreal folks heading to their cottages or family is typical......here is article looking at EV charging/ gas station needs at peak times of year.....interesting quick 4 min read Motor Mouth: I witnessed firsthand why we desperately need more EV chargers

 

[BleedingOrange]

That,s what I,m talking about !

 

[Grumpycat]

Who called you abusive in my post ???

You did, "It's not all about your "comfortable well to do" demographic Grumpy . Can you grasp the concept of their perspective ? Maybe not."

And, "Before you argue with someone, ask yourself, is that person even mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of different perspectives? Because if not, there is absolutely no point. — Amber Veal"

I say you need to look in a mirror sometime.

Paid $80,000 for the house I live in. Mortgage payment was 30% of my pre-tax salary. Today I live frugally but no longer worry about money.

And if you think the majority of Apartment dwellers have swimming pools and gyms, you live in a gated community in your mind.

I think you are incapable of grasping the concept of a different perspective. I gave you an example way over your head: That one in an apartment is much more likely to have a swimming pool than a homeowner. Somehow the apartment landlord provided this resource, even at great expense, to attract tenants. You can't imagine they'd do the same to provide access to EV charging in the parking lot? Craigslist.org real estate search has a button for EV charging. It is happening. You can't seem to grasp the notion that not everyone has to have everything, not EV charging, not swimming pools, not tractors or horses.

And what about those single car owners , how many times this month did you use one of your other ICE vehicles ? .....hmm

Last bought gasoline for the truck on July 30. Know without checking it hasn't been driven in 3 weeks. Will probably drive it soon just to keep it's fluids flowing.

now imagine putting all your mileage needs on your EV for a year, and still just charge with a 15 amp 120 volt extension cord rain or shine every night or two across your grass or snowbank..........hmmm

Often charge in the rain. No problem. Unplug it in the rain also too. You are mistaken to think rain is an issue. Have you not noticed Superchargers don't have an awning overhead? We make 250kW electrical connections in the rain all the time.

 

[DarkBlack]

This past weekend was one of the bigger travel long weekends ( Labour Day weekend Canada) Toronto and Montreal folks heading to their cottages or family is typical......here is article looking at EV charging/ gas station needs at peak times of year.....interesting quick 4 min read Motor Mouth: I witnessed firsthand why we desperately need more EV chargers

Good article. Grump and Trad, will of course call it stupid

 

[Grumpycat]

I'm just thinking of the many thousands of contract workers that live in RVs or Motel moving from job to job. Electric linemen, welders, mill wrights, masons, etc. Up until I closed we always had 6 to 2 dozen in here year around living in their campers until the job was done. Some complete with family, sure we have power but you would be paying for an entire separate spot for the duration $40 per day (yes we discounted for them) . We had crews in here for up to 4 1/2 years building water treatment plants. Line workers for over year stringing a new High Tower line for the mine. Motel here is full year around, many stay 1 hour away due to lack of space. Mine work comes and goes, depending on ore prices. They core drilled with 6 rigs for 5 years but then send all home for the last year.

But if you had guests with need of a means of charging an EV then you would find a way. One of many companies offering this hardware and service:

Commercial AC & DC charging stations | ChargePoint

Find the right AC or DC charger for your business to increase property values and grow revenue from customers, employees and tenants driving EVs.

www.chargepoint.com

Laws vary by state as to whether you can bill by the kWh but many have amended to permit kWh billing for EVs. For example you can not bill your RV guests by the kWh.

 

[DarkBlack]

 

[wawajake]

You did, "It's not all about your "comfortable well to do" demographic Grumpy . Can you grasp the concept of their perspective ? Maybe not."

And, "Before you argue with someone, ask yourself, is that person even mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of different perspectives? Because if not, there is absolutely no point. — Amber Veal"

I say you need to look in a mirror sometime.

Paid $80,000 for the house I live in. Mortgage payment was 30% of my pre-tax salary. Today I live frugally but no longer worry about money.


I think you are incapable of grasping the concept of a different perspective. I gave you an example way over your head: That one in an apartment is much more likely to have a swimming pool than a homeowner. Somehow the apartment landlord provided this resource, even at great expense, to attract tenants. You can't imagine they'd do the same to provide access to EV charging in the parking lot? Craigslist.org real estate search has a button for EV charging. It is happening. You can't seem to grasp the notion that not everyone has to have everything, not EV charging, not swimming pools, not tractors or horses.


Last bought gasoline for the truck on July 30. Know without checking it hasn't been driven in 3 weeks. Will probably drive it soon just to keep it's fluids flowing.


Often charge in the rain. No problem. Unplug it in the rain also too. You are mistaken to think rain is an issue. Have you not noticed Superchargers don't have an awning overhead? We make 250kW electrical connections in the rain all the time.

Hilarious Grumpy, you keep proving my point, its all about your narrow perspective and environment. But keep it up us EV realists are enjoying the entertainment.

 

[wawajake]

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Yep that's the world were headed to....extension cords lying in the rain or snow. So our family can visit and get home. Heck wasn't it even the Superchargers in Chicago snow storm had all sorts of problems icing up, but then Grumpy or Trad will tell us it was sabotage.......