What a Mess!

[yooperdave]

My rear tire lost its bead and now there is rim guard - beet juice everywhere.
I thought to possibly reseat the bead, I would add some air to the tire. When I went to add air, I could not unscrew the cap. After I turned the cap for awhile, the whole assembly pulled out. The assembly is a plastic insert that sticks into a rubber boot from the tire. I attached a picture.

I initially used a rubber tapered tip on the air compressor so I could try to reseat the bead. After adding some air and jiggling the tractor, I do not hear air excaping anymore for the time being.

How do you formally get air into the tire? The air chuck has nothing to grab onto. The LS dealer hired a new guy who knows nothing about this configuration. I am assuming this configuration was done to get the beet juice in the tire.

Can someone please explain the assembly and what keeps it from shooting out of the rubber boot? Also how to get air into the tire?

TIA

Yooper Dave

 

[LouNY]

Not familiar with what you are showing. Most liquid fill tubeless tire valve stems are two piece units.
similar to this;

the second picture is the kurled piece in the first picture.
the older style was like this,

there are "emergency" valve stems that look a bit different;

The Colby company has several variations of repair type stems that are installed from the outside of the rim.
Colby Valve

 

[RandyT]

Sounds like two issues. Issue one was the tire got low or leaked out the air leading to the debead. The second issue is the rubber valve stem used with the Rimguard. Rimguard warns against using rubber valve stems with their product because the beet juice will desolve the glue that holds the metal/plastic insert to the rubber.

 

[yooperdave]

Sounds like two issues. Issue one was the tire got low or leaked out the air leading to the debead. The second issue is the rubber valve stem used with the Rimguard. Rimguard warns against using rubber valve stems with their product because the beet juice will desolve the glue that holds the metal/plastic insert to the rubber.

The dealer wants to charge me parts and labor to fix his defect. The glue used to attach the plastic insert has dissolved. The tractor is 4-5 years old. I am expecting the inserts to shoot out when I am plowing snow. The inserts can be readily pulled out by hand with the tractor jacked up. I am old and disabled and do not need this BS.

Yooper Dave

 

[LouNY]

The dealer wants to charge me parts and labor to fix his defect. The glue used to attach the plastic insert has dissolved. The tractor is 4-5 years old. I am expecting the inserts to shoot out when I am plowing snow. The inserts can be readily pulled out by hand with the tractor jacked up. I am old and disabled and do not need this BS.

Yooper Dave

I'm not real surprised that the dealer won't do anything toward fixing the problem. Many tire shops have a mobile service truck which can come to your site pump out the Rim guard, break the bead and install new valve stems. They can also bring out more rimguard to replace what you have lost. It will not be cheap. The rimguard product got used for many years before they let it be known about the problems with rubber valve stems. And even the good "steel" ones have o-rings and seals so who knows how they will hold up. I have never been a fan of liquid ballast but some tractor wheels do not have the provisions for bolt on iron and at a buck and quarter or half per pound it does add up fast.

 

[5030]

Finally, when you fill any loaded with anything tire with additional air, you always rotate the valve stem to the 12 O Clock position to add air or more juice or whatever.

I'm like Lou, I'm adverse to any material inside tires but air.

 

[ruffdog]

I'm like Lou, I'm adverse to any material inside tires but air.

^^Same here.

 

[grsthegreat]

I have the stems like louNY posted. There 14 years old, no leaks.

 

[arrow]

To answer your question of getting air into the tire, you need the proper metal valve stem. Was this tractor filled at the dealership?

 

[ruffdog]

I'm thinking that the valve stem is a normal rubber stem like in a car tire? Did the ballast react with the rubber so the brass inner stem detach from the rubber when you turned the cap? If you don't have tubes in your tires, the dealer would easily be able to quickly replace the rubber stems with new quality rubber stems without breaking the tire bead. Some import stems rot and fall apart just from age.

 

[ruffdog]

Replacing a rubber stem:

 

[arrow]

I'm thinking that the valve stem is a normal rubber stem like in a car tire? Did the ballast react with the rubber so the brass inner stem detach from the rubber when you turned the cap? If you don't have tubes in your tires, the dealer would easily be able to quickly replace the rubber stems with new quality rubber stems without breaking the tire bead. Some import stems rot and fall apart just from age.

Yes it did.
If he plans to add ballast again, he should use metal stems.
If the dealer filled the tires, the dealer should be responsible for the
fix.

 

[RayIN]

This is the attachment mobile trucks use to add fluid to tires:Robot or human?

 

[RayIN]

This is a DIY method I copied from the orange tractor website:
OK I ll chime in here.. I use 50/50 anti freeze and if you do some looking around you might be able to pit that up used from salvage yards for next to nothing, a bud got all he needed for a buck a gallon,, What I did was take an old pump up sprayer removed the valve on the sprayer end and put in a well it looks like a needle valve for blowing up balls,,,, jacked the tractor up and jack stands then turned the wheels so the valve stem was at 12:00 or if dark where you are 24:00.. ok bad joke,, and removed the tire valve let all the air out,, remember TO JACK IT UP FIRST, then fill the sprayer tank and insert the needle into the valve body and pump away,,, Now what will happen is that as the fluid fills the tire it will displace any air that's in it, so you will feel air coming out of the valve stem. Now after several adult beverages and tanks of what ever your putting in the tires you will notice that the fluid is coming out of the valve stem. You now have enough in the tire, this will leave about 20% air space which you will need to keep the flexible ,, put the valve back in the stem, pump it up to the required pressure for that tire and start on the other side,,, orr just call your dealer and have them do it...
Simple

 

[yooperdave]

My rear tire lost its bead and now there is rim guard - beet juice everywhere.
I thought to possibly reseat the bead, I would add some air to the tire. When I went to add air, I could not unscrew the cap. After I turned the cap for awhile, the whole assembly pulled out. The assembly is a plastic insert that sticks into a rubber boot from the tire. I attached a picture.

I initially used a rubber tapered tip on the air compressor so I could try to reseat the bead. After adding some air and jiggling the tractor, I do not hear air excaping anymore for the time being.

How do you formally get air into the tire? The air chuck has nothing to grab onto. The LS dealer hired a new guy who knows nothing about this configuration. I am assuming this configuration was done to get the beet juice in the tire.

Can someone please explain the assembly and what keeps it from shooting out of the rubber boot? Also how to get air into the tire?

TIA

Yooper Dave

My local tire dealer 5 minutes away fixed all the issues the same day for $300. There is now heavy duty metal valve stems with new ballast. They do all the John Deere, New Holland, and Mahindra dealership tractor tires in the area. The tapered rim prevented recovery of the existing ballast. They saved me 90 minutes of drive time to my LS dealer, and he got me going the day before a major snow storm. The LS dealer wanted several days to fix. I did not want to reward unacceptable behavior. The LS dealer refuses to accept any ownership of the issue.

 

[oosik]

My 2009 M6040 came with RimGuard in the rear tires. My valve stems are like what LouNY shows in his top picture. Never a moments problem.

 

[Deere Dude]

My local tire dealer 5 minutes away fixed all the issues the same day for $300. There is now heavy duty metal valve stems with new ballast. They do all the John Deere, New Holland, and Mahindra dealership tractor tires in the area. The tapered rim prevented recovery of the existing ballast. They saved me 90 minutes of drive time to my LS dealer, and he got me going the day before a major snow storm. The LS dealer wanted several days to fix. I did not want to reward unacceptable behavior. The LS dealer refuses to accept any ownership of the issue.

Did the repair guy change the other rear stem also? Chances are that one will be bad in time also.

 

[yooperdave]

Did the repair guy change the other rear stem also? Chances are that one will be bad in time also.

He replaced both rear tires stems and ballast. The other rear tire valve stem could also be removed easily by hand. We are supposed to get up to 10" of snow today, and I now feel ready to plow with confidence. BTW I just added a ballast box yesterday so I should have a better configuration for plowing with the bigger bucket.

 

[ruffdog]

He replaced both rear tires stems and ballast. The other rear tire valve stem could also be removed easily by hand. We are supposed to get up to 10" of snow today, and I now feel ready to plow with confidence. BTW I just added a ballast box yesterday so I should have a better configuration for plowing with the bigger bucket.

Did you get some snow up there? We only got about 5" here.

 

[yooperdave]

Did you get some snow up there? We only got about 5" here.

About the same - 4 to 5 inches.