What a Mess!

[Ken45101]

As I understand it, you should have tubes installed when they put the Rimguard in. I know the Rimguard dealer did that when I had it added to my Kubota M5040. I'm not sure how the M9540 was done.

 

[LouNY]

From Rimguards own web site;

Beet Juice does not require tubes in the tires. What if I already have tubes in my tires?

Beet Juice can be used with or without tubes equally effectively. The difference between the two lies solely in the repair cost of a minor puncture. Repairing a puncture in a tire with no tubes is very simple and cost effective. However, repairing a puncture in a tire with tubes is more involved and more expensive.

Can I use rubber valve stems with Beet Juice Ballast?

It is important when installing liquid tire ballast that you consult a tire professional to ensure that you have industry standard valve stems capable of handling air AND liquid. Many rubber valve stems are air only and therefore the adhesive holding the core in place is subject to dissolving. This can potentially lead to a catastrophic failure and loss of all liquid in the tire.

So nope tubes not required.

 

[RayIN]

Rimguard is a farce IMO. their website states it is the heaviest liquid ballast available @ 10.7# per gallon. It is also very expensive.
Compare that to Calcium Chloride/water weights @ 14.7# per gallon.

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/farming-natural-resources-and-industry/agriculture-and-seafood/farm-management/structures-and-mechanization/200-series/210104-1_calcium-water_table_for_tractor_tires.pdf

If CC was so harmful to the environment, why does Canada endorse it's use.
Yes CC is corrosive, if the tube is punctured or valve stem leaks. My 1972 MF 135 rears were filled with CC at the dealers when dad bought the tractor. The rims finally rusted out in 2021.
I have filled every rear tractor with CC I've owned.
P.S. What will you do in 45 years if your rims rust away?

 

[grsthegreat]

Rimguard is a farce IMO. their website states it is the heaviest liquid ballast available @ 10.7# per gallon. It is also very expensive.
Compare that to Calcium Chloride/water weights @ 14.7# per gallon.

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/farming-natural-resources-and-industry/agriculture-and-seafood/farm-management/structures-and-mechanization/200-series/210104-1_calcium-water_table_for_tractor_tires.pdf

If CC was so harmful to the environment, why does Canada endorse it's use.
Yes CC is corrosive, if the tube is punctured or valve stem leaks. My 1972 MF 135 rears were filled with CC at the dealers when dad bought the tractor. The rims finally rusted out in 2021.
I have filled every rear tractor with CC I've owned.

Water weight 8.3 pounds per gallon by itself, im not sure what ratio of CC to water is used to figure real weight. I had CC in my old JD870, and when the tire burst, it ruined the interior of my steel lean too overnight. Ill never have that crap in a tractor again.

 

[RayIN]

Water weight 8.3 pounds per gallon, not 10.7

Rimguard states their product weighs 10.7# per gallon.
You're right, not much different than water.

 

[MossRoad]

Rimguard is a farce IMO. their website states it is the heaviest liquid ballast available @ 10.7# per gallon. It is also very expensive.
Compare that to Calcium Chloride/water weights @ 14.7# per gallon.

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/farming-natural-resources-and-industry/agriculture-and-seafood/farm-management/structures-and-mechanization/200-series/210104-1_calcium-water_table_for_tractor_tires.pdf

If CC was so harmful to the environment, why does Canada endorse it's use.
Yes CC is corrosive, if the tube is punctured or valve stem leaks. My 1972 MF 135 rears were filled with CC at the dealers when dad bought the tractor. The rims finally rusted out in 2021.
I have filled every rear tractor with CC I've owned.
P.S. What will you do in 45 years if your rims rust away?

CC weighs about the same as Rimguard when mixed to the same -35 temperature rating.

But yes, you can add a lot more CC than that to get up to the 14#/gallon range.

I had CC in my 70's IH2500b. It rotted the rims by the late 90s. I opted for new tubes and a removable cement counterweight on the 3pt instead of replacing the rims. The counterweight was removable and much more versatile than the filled rims in my situation.

 

[MossRoad]

Rimguard is a farce IMO. their website states it is the heaviest liquid ballast available @ 10.7# per gallon. It is also very expensive.
Compare that to Calcium Chloride/water weights @ 14.7# per gallon.

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/farming-natural-resources-and-industry/agriculture-and-seafood/farm-management/structures-and-mechanization/200-series/210104-1_calcium-water_table_for_tractor_tires.pdf

If CC was so harmful to the environment, why does Canada endorse it's use.
Yes CC is corrosive, if the tube is punctured or valve stem leaks. My 1972 MF 135 rears were filled with CC at the dealers when dad bought the tractor. The rims finally rusted out in 2021.
I have filled every rear tractor with CC I've owned.
P.S. What will you do in 45 years if your rims rust away?

Something isn't right with that chart in your link.

It says 10 gallons of water weighs 100 pounds.

10 gallons of water weighs 83 pounds.



That chart is in imperial gallons.

 

[RayIN]

Something isn't right with that chart in your link.

It says 10 gallons of water weighs 100 pounds.

10 gallons of water weighs 83 pounds.

View attachment 2105516

That chart is in imperial gallons.

OK, Rimguard weighs 12.84 lbs. per imperial gallon; 10.7 lbs. per U.S.A. gallon.
That makes CC weighing 4 lb.s more than Rimguard according to the Canada chart.

 

[hayden]

Does anyone do CC filling anymore? All the places I know stopped using it years ago. Even if you wanted it, I don’t think any tires shops offer it. So you’d be mixing and filling yourself.

 

[not2old]

I don't know what was used to fill the rear tires on my GC2610 but the rims appear to be badly rusted and I've prepared myself to buy new rims when I need new tires. If I fill the new rims with used antifreeze as described above here, will that prevent them from rusting? I'm hopeing that the Kabota dealer has good prices on buying tires and rims together like when I bought new front ones which was cheaper than any tires alone that I could find.

 

[RayIN]

Does anyone do CC filling anymore? All the places I know stopped using it years ago. Even if you wanted it, I don’t think any tires shops offer it. So you’d be mixing and filling yourself.

Yep, every tractor tire shop I know of in Indiana will add whichever fluid is requested.

I don't know what was used to fill the rear tires on my GC2610 but the rims appear to be badly rusted and I've prepared myself to buy new rims when I need new tires. If I fill the new rims with used antifreeze as described above here, will that prevent them from rusting? I'm hopeing that the Kabota dealer has good prices on buying tires and rims together like when I bought new front ones which was cheaper than any tires alone that I could find.

Rims exposed to CC can be washed with a chemical the mobile trucks carry to neutralize CC.
The only reason your rims rusted was from a leak somewhere. Valve cores are the common source, CC requires a special valve core in the tube.
IMO filling a tubeless tire with CC is inviting corrosion.

 

[not2old]

Yep, every tractor tire shop I know of in Indiana will add whichever fluid is requested.

Rims exposed to CC can be washed with a chemical the mobile trucks carry to neutralize CC.
The only reason your rims rusted was from a leak somewhere. Valve cores are the common source, CC requires a special valve core in the tube.
IMO filling a tubeless tire with CC is inviting corrosion.

I had the rears loaded when new and don't know what was used and they are tubless. Yes there was a leak on both rears and the bead area on the outside has a large thicknesses of rust pealing off. I mostly just look at the tires to determine if they need air as I've ruined several tire gauges by using them on the loaded wheels. They are likely over pressurised but I don't care as it has already gotten me at least four extra years out of the tires. It's when I get new wheels and tires that I am concerned about.

 

[RayIN]

I had the rears loaded when new and don't know what was used and they are tubless. Yes there was a leak on both rears and the bead area on the outside has a large thicknesses of rust pealing off. I mostly just look at the tires to determine if they need air as I've ruined several tire gauges by using them on the loaded wheels. They are likely over pressurised but I don't care as it has already gotten me at least four extra years out of the tires. It's when I get new wheels and tires that I am concerned about.

A special air gauge is made to use with CC-filled tires.

 

[LouNY]

A special air gauge is made to use with CC-filled tires.

Any gauge used on fluid filled tires needs to be rinsed out after each use.
The tire should be rotated so the valve stem is at 12 o'clock on the rim,
then a short shot of air used to clean out the valve stem.
The pressure read and adjusted, then it doesn't matter what the fill fluid is.
The gauge needs to be be cleaned, the pencil type gauge can be held in running water and exercised by pulling and pushing the stem several times.
It doesn't matter what fluid is used it has the potential to screw up a tire gauge even plain water.

 

[CK732]

I was looking at my mine air valve and it twist. That's strange I never Sean that before.

 

[Brown Dog]

If he plans to add ballast again, he should use metal stems.
If the dealer filled the tires, the dealer should be responsible for the
fix.

Metal or brass valve stems is the ONLY Ones to use.
Period.

The dealer shouldn’t be held responsible since they lasted 4-5yrs as stated.

@5030 @LouNY @ruffdog

WHAT do all you guys hate about liquid filled tires ???


Now I totally agree with NOT using CORROSIVE calcium chloride OR Expensive beet juice

Antifreeze mix, washer fluid or RV antifreeze is readily available anywhere & worth it’s weight in gold for traction, ride & versatility imo

You have to be capable of removing & installing a fluid filled tire assembly.

I hate & don’t have time to go hook up a weight box or an implement every time weight is needed.

You cant bolt on enough wheel weights to equal liquid filled tires.

I run all 4 tires completely filled with antifreeze / water AND 150-350lb of rear wheel weights.

The heavier the better.

 

[Brown Dog]

... The LS dealer refuses to accept any ownership of the issue.

Not being ugly at all but
You shouldn’t be angry with the dealer since you stated the tractor was 4-5yrs old.

 

[LouNY]

Metal or brass valve stems is the ONLY Ones to use.
Period.

The dealer shouldn’t be held responsible since they lasted 4-5yrs as stated.

@5030 @LouNY @ruffdog

WHAT do all you guys hate about liquid filled tires ???


Now I totally agree with NOT using CORROSIVE calcium chloride OR Expensive beet juice

Antifreeze mix, washer fluid or RV antifreeze is readily available anywhere & worth it’s weight in gold for traction, ride & versatility imo

You have to be capable of removing & installing a fluid filled tire assembly.

I hate & don’t have time to go hook up a weight box or an implement every time weight is needed.

You cant bolt on enough wheel weights to equal liquid filled tires.

I run all 4 tires completely filled with antifreeze / water AND 150-350lb of rear wheel weights.

The heavier the better.

On the farm tractors and even mine at times we do a lot of road travel fluid filled tires take horsepower to turn the tires and get the fluid moving in the tire. Hauling a heavy load uphill liquid filled robs horsepower more then bolt on iron. When you do have a flat not if but when it is much easier and faster to either plug a tire and keep going or to break one bead and go in with a plug patch.
I very seldom need to drop the iron off my tractors but if desired I can do easily. On a rough field the liquid filled tire has a bit harsher ride. When stopping the liquid will rock the tractor back and forth. I haven't noticed that in my little tractor which does have filled tires but on the larger ones fluid slosh is felt.
My Branson has 1200 pounds of iron on her.
I have never filled front tires I see absolutely no reason too.
You mention ride improvement with liquid filled tires I have never seen an improvement.
Also the alternatives you mentioned will not be liquid at -20F, ice will destroy a tire.

 

[arrow]

Not being ugly at all but
You shouldn’t be angry with the dealer since you stated the tractor was 4-5yrs old.

The dealer used the wrong stems creating a premature failure. Barring any impact events to the stem, beet juice should have lasted double or triple the time the op had before failure.
The dealer should have made good on some level with his customer.

 

[Brown Dog]

The dealer used the wrong stems creating a premature failure. Barring any impact events to the stem, beet juice should have lasted double or triple the time the op had before failure.
The dealer should have made good on some level with his customer.

LS installed the valve stems. Not the dealer.
Touchy situation I guess.