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[WinterDeere]

I dont think I have Ever lived within 45 minutes of any job... But I also understand I'm probably an outlair on the statistics. My sister and her husband are like 4 minutes from door to work. I can't even imagine that.

Probably varies a lot by what part of the country you live in. The farther from a city or industrial area, the farther you may need to travel for work.

Ignoring my student jobs, and only counting real "career jobs", my one-way commute distances have been as follows:

2 mi / 8 min. = 3 years
9 mi / 17 min. = 2 years
31 mi / 41 min. = 3 years
11 mi / 22 min. = 1 year
9 mi / 20 min. = 4 years
8 mi / 14 min = 11 years
40 feet / 12 sec = 3 years

The changes above represent 4 jobs and 3 residences, but you can see that in 30 years of working, I've had only 3 years of round-trip commute exceeding the 26 mile battery-only range of the above hybrid.

 

[LouNY]

Probably varies a lot by what part of the country you live in. The farther from a city or industrial area, the farther you may need to travel for work.

Ignoring my student jobs, and only counting real "career jobs", my one-way commute distances have been as follows:

2 mi / 8 min. = 3 years
9 mi / 17 min. = 2 years
31 mi / 41 min. = 3 years
11 mi / 22 min. = 1 year
9 mi / 20 min. = 4 years
8 mi / 14 min = 11 years
40 feet / 12 sec = 3 years

The changes above represent 4 jobs and 3 residences, but you can see that in 30 years of working, I've had only 3 years of round-trip commute exceeding the 26 mile battery-only range of the above hybrid.

Mine was a tad bit different;
6 years of 15-100 miles, an hour to 3 hours,
10 years of 15-50 miles, an hour to hour and half,
5 years of 15 miles, half hour,
then another 10 years of 30 miles, 50 minutes from the shop but normally straight from home to the job so 20-70 miles and 45 minutes to 2 hours each way.
then 13 years of 27 miles and 50 minutes to an hour each way.
(then 20 years+ of part time on the farm 3 miles and 10 minutes to an hour)

 

[WinterDeere]

Mine was a tad bit different;
6 years of 15-100 miles, an hour to 3 hours,
10 years of 15-50 miles, an hour to hour and half,
5 years of 15 miles, half hour,
then another 10 years of 30 miles, 50 minutes from the shop but normally straight from home to the job so 20-70 miles and 45 minutes to 2 hours each way.
then 13 years of 27 miles and 50 minutes to an hour each way.
(then 20 years+ of part time on the farm 3 miles and 10 minutes to an hour)

Oh, I'm sure many are, and I guess I shouldn't have even bothered posting my own, since the conversation was about "average". You are way off the average in one direction, I'm a bit off it in the other.

 

[kenmbz]

My current commute is to work remotely from a small home office, a few feet/

My commute if I went into my office would be 2.5 hours each way. (car to train, train to subway, subway to walking) to Downtown Manhattan.

For a number if years (4) my commute was 1.5 to 2hours each way. (car-->train-->walk) Midtown Manhattan.
before that it varies from 45 minutes to 1 hour each way for a few decades. Anywhere from North NJ to south NJ.

Closest was 10-15 minutes to commute one town over. Varied by 5 minutes each way due to traffic lights.

Worst commute though was when I worked government, 3 weeks cali, 3 weeks ohio, 3 weeks at foreign detachment, 3 weeks NY, did that for 3.5 years.
Got to be home one weekend every month, sometimes.

My longest drive was to south NJ, at 45 minutes of straight highway a little over 40 miles each way. Not a bad commute unless in bad weather or there was an accident. Was opposite traffic both ways.

My Jeep GC would get 19mpg doing the south NJ trip, Maybe 20 on a good day.
Could have used something with better MPG or hybrid, but needed the jeep for use around the property.
I was hoping the new Jeep GC would get better mpg, but does not look it.

 

[paulsharvey]

Do they work in retail or supermarket ? Here in Holland, there are so many stores and the wages in retail so much lower that these jobs are local..

No, she teaches at a local college and he is a project manager for a video game company. Now, there is the downside to that, they live in a gated community, in town, and all that goes with that.

 

[paulsharvey]

Currently, I'm "in my area" when i pull out of the drive, but if i need to go to the office, it's about 1h30m away. I'm not a "remote" worker, but I'm a field guy, and generally go straight to my projects. At times, I've had to go 2 hours each way to the job, and as little as 30 minutes for a few weeks at a time.

 

[paulsharvey]

"I was hoping the new Jeep GC would get better mpg, but does not look it."

Yeah, that doesn't seem like a very real milage boost for the added cost/complexity of the turbo gas motor, battery, and electric motors. With modern tech, i would expect a new built Magnum 3.9L V6 to get 23mph out of a midsized vehicle.

 

[Renze]

No, she teaches at a local college and he is a project manager for a video game company.

That doesnt sound like a family that has to work close to home because they cant afford a vehicle from their minimum wage...
So its a coincidence they work so close to home...

 

[WinterDeere]

Currently, I'm "in my area" when i pull out of the drive, but if i need to go to the office, it's about 1h30m away. I'm not a "remote" worker, but I'm a field guy, and generally go straight to my projects. At times, I've had to go 2 hours each way to the job, and as little as 30 minutes for a few weeks at a time.

I think that’s the goal of these PHEVs, finding the best compromise between cost of battery and average trip. Even if most trips cause the onboard charging to kick in, there’s going to be some threshold where TCO is optimized.

 

[paulsharvey]

That doesnt sound like a family that has to work close to home because they cant afford a vehicle from their minimum wage...
So its a coincidence they work so close to home...

It's an active choice and priority for them. They know they have more expensive home than if they commuted an hour, but different strokes for different folks. They actually added a room to their home when they had their 3rd kid, rather then move. Financially, probably not the cheapest move, but its what worked for them. For a family like them, 1 EV and 1 ICE vehicle would likely make sense.

 

[paulsharvey]

I think that’s the goal of these PHEVs, finding the best compromise between cost of battery and average trip. Even if most trips cause the onboard charging to kick in, there’s going to be some threshold where TCO is optimized.

I wouldn't be surprised if one day they push EVs on us for company vehicles, but they would have to find a way/scheme/plan to pay for my personal power to charge their vehicle. Gas is simple, gas card, and track usage/milage, to prevent fuel theft.

I would think EVs will eventually go to a stand alone separate meter situation for at home charging, allowing road tax to be collected?

 

[Renze]

I think that’s the goal of these PHEVs, finding the best compromise between cost of battery and average trip.

Whenever an electric motor and a battery is involved, it allows for regenerative braking like a hybrid. Even if you never charge from the grid.

 

[paulsharvey]

Whenever an electric motor and a battery is involved, it allows for regenerative braking like a hybrid. Even if you never charge from the grid.

Yeah... that Cherokee did like 2 miles of electric only range, over 150 miles in the day, from regenerative breaking. Might be significantly more in mountains though.

 

[WinterDeere]

I would think EVs will eventually go to a stand alone separate meter situation for at home charging, allowing road tax to be collected?

Maybe easier to collect road tax with vehicle registration, or inspection, or even through insurance carriers.

 

[paulsharvey]

Not to completely rehash the EV threads, but how many square feet of solar would it take to charge a 50 mile range per day? Would it ever pay for itself?

 

[ruffdog]

This article shows the list of top sellers in the US. Stellantis' first product is at #13 and is the Ram 1500. Sales are down a whopping 26%.

https://www.carscoops.com/2025/02/toyota-rav4-ends-ford-f-150s-reign-as-americas-best-seller/

 

[WinterDeere]

Not to completely rehash the EV threads, but how many square feet of solar would it take to charge a 50 mile range per day? Would it ever pay for itself?

In your sunny state of Florida, generation averages .05 kWh per square foot per day. A quick Google search turns up several claims of miles per kWh, but it seems most Tesla owners are in the neighborhood of 4.5 mi/kWh, so .225 mi/ft2/day.

50 mi/day would require 222 ft2, or roughly 10 x 22 feet, on average. How you manage storage and peaks/valleys is another matter, if your state doesn't offer net metering.

 

[paulsharvey]

In your sunny state of Florida, generation averages .05 kWh per square foot per day. A quick Google search turns up several claims of miles per kWh, but it seems most Tesla owners are in the neighborhood of 4.5 mi/kWh, so .225 mi/ft2/day.

50 mi/day would require 222 ft2, or roughly 10 x 22 feet, on average. How you manage storage and peaks/valleys is another matter, if your state doesn't offer net metering.

That's not as unreasonable as it sounds at first. Let say you build a 16x24 car port, covering the roof entirely, you wouldn't get peak production, because the entire roof wouldn't be producing most of the time. I'm not considering it, at this time, but, that is approaching a usable range/production, And a reasonable installation cost.

 

[kenmbz]

maybe 10 panels and a few batteries to even out the power.
Problem is that you use the EV mostly during the day.
So the battery pack would allow for that.

 

[WinterDeere]

maybe 10 panels and a few batteries to even out the power.
Problem is that you use the EV mostly during the day.
So the battery pack would allow for that.

... or net metering. Has PA abandoned it, yet? I anticipate they will, at some point, but last I heard it was still on the table.