Decorating: latex paint over stain grade hardwood?

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The lasting attributes are having surfaces that require more maintenance and if someone wants to go back to the wood finish, it's a difficult process stripping that much paint off wood. Also easy to damage the wood surface while trying to remove the paint.

The benefit to a TV show is the change to paint shows a dramatic makeover and paint is cheap. But they don't have to live in the property afterwards.
 
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The lasting attributes are having surfaces that require more maintenance and if someone wants to go back to the wood finish, it's a difficult process stripping that much paint off wood. Also easy to damage the wood surface while trying to remove the paint.

The benefit to a TV show is the change to paint shows a dramatic makeover and paint is cheap. But they don't have to live in the property afterwards.
It’s a fight I can’t win… the corporate outside managers are giddy looking at samples and color pallets…

I did my due diligence today and it was noted.

To do the flooring conversion away from commercial nylon broad loom carpet requires sealing the on grade concrete due to the local high water table… the underground raceways will require additional floor prep and stripping the institutional commercial wall paper and wall prep for paint all factor…

The stained hardwood also requires prep for adhesion… plus the 12” base boards will ugly out from the housekeeping vacuum cleaners.

Then the idea to inlay Corp logo adds to the cost…

My standard question is what’s the budget?

I was told this is in part to boost employee morale but employees can go a year and never set foot in the lobby… so not sure?

Looked for a picture and the only one I could find is when mom wanted to see the tree I set up in 2023

I’m having a hard time picturing what’s to be gained with shades of green makeover.

No pictures of entry, reception or registration :-(
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/ Decorating: latex paint over stain grade hardwood? #24  
I have some older homes that were always painted and a good oil enamel would last decades.

The problem I run into now is a quick latex roll out over oil or varnish and the top cost just peels off with a finger nail.

Worse is in areas such as a laundry room or steamy bathroom where all the paint alligators… often simpler to go over with new rock.
In our current house, the entire house was wood. No plaster. No drywall. All wood. And not a lick of it matched. At a minimum, there were 3 different woods in a room. One had 7. It was not nice. Think stained rough plywood for walls in the bedrooms.

Our living room had maple floors, 12" white ceiling tile (not asbestos, had them tested), knotty pine shellacked vertical board walls, very dark doors, and very dark built in cabinets on one end of the room. One curio cabinet on the right, and a gun cabinet on the left, with a bench spanning the area between the cabinets. Drawers under the cabinets and bench. Nothing matched. 3 of the four walls had the same style of knotty pine boards (differing width), but the fourth had them all the same size.

I gutted the bedrooms and dining room and drywalled, and put up oak trim on everything, but left the living room alone, because I liked knotty pine. This was supposed to be our 5 year house.......

20 years later, my wife was tire of the living room looking like a mismatched cabin. So was I. So we decided to paint the shellacked knotty pine and make all the trim match the cabinets and doors. About the only real way to do that and not worry about latex paint peeling off is to use TSP to wipe down the walls, removing grease and oils, then sand the shellac to give it a texture, then prime with appropriate primer, then paint.

So I spent about 4 hours a night for a week or so with a palm sander hooked to a shop vac getting every little crack and joint and flat surface roughed up. Primed and painted the color she wanted. OK.

Then I installed new door and window trim and small crown molding. Then came up with a formula for a stain that matched the existing dark wood cabinets and doors (rosewood and walnut, many tests until correct).

So now the room has painted vertical boards and all the trim matches the dark doors and curio cabinets. The maple floor is a nice contrast to the dark trim. The small dark crown molding frames the white ceiling and makes a nice line between the wall and ceiling. Wife is happy. She gets paint. I'm happy to get stained doors, cabinets and trim that match. Life is good.

So anyway, in my opinion, if the hospital is going to paint over stained wood, someone is going to have to do similar, and degrease/de-oil the wood first, sand it to rough it up, prime it and paint it, or it's just gonna peel off every time it gets scratched.
 
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It’s a fight I can’t win… the corporate outside managers are giddy looking at samples and color pallets…

I did my due diligence today and it was noted.

To do the flooring conversion away from commercial nylon broad loom carpet requires sealing the on grade concrete due to the local high water table… the underground raceways will require additional floor prep and stripping the institutional commercial wall paper and wall prep for paint all factor…

The stained hardwood also requires prep for adhesion… plus the 12” base boards will ugly out from the housekeeping vacuum cleaners.

Then the idea to inlay Corp logo adds to the cost…

My standard question is what’s the budget?

I was told this is in part to boost employee morale but employees can go a year and never set foot in the lobby… so not sure?

Looked for a picture and the only one I could find is when mom wanted to see the tree I set up in 2023

I’m having a hard time picturing what’s to be gained with shades of green makeover.

No pictures of entry, reception or registration :-(
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I happen to agree with you on this one, but regarding your job, you don't come across as a maintenance employee, but a high maintenance employee.
 
/ Decorating: latex paint over stain grade hardwood? #27  
Whether the "updating" will do much for morale...employees may just think to themselves they could have used the extra money in their paychecks.

So your mom was still able to get around in 2023 to come see the tree. That's a good picture to have of her.
 
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Whether the "updating" will do much for morale...employees may just think to themselves they could have used the extra money in their paychecks.

So your mom was still able to get around in 2023 to come see the tree. That's a good picture to have of her.
She always said as long as she could get around life is good… at 75 still running marathons and up to the last 6 months still walking miles in the hilly neighborhood where she lived.

She was also 50 years a RN fully intending to be a nun in the nursing order… dad said many times mom is the best thing that ever happened to him.
 
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I happen to agree with you on this one, but regarding your job, you don't come across as a maintenance employee, but a high maintenance employee.
Yep… I agree.

No one is happy since the corp merger and this includes staff and docs… the transition was from local community based to one of 60 or so facilities.

For me it’s the corporate directives from far away without a clue to the realities involved… like redecorating when we have real needs such as replacing 30 year old steam boilers, sterilizers, parking lot seal and stripe/lighting, etc…

My record of 33 years without a single surgery ever cancelled due to a problem with the facility and over 30 years without a missed day of work is solid.

Worked through the pandemic when most of America stayed home including those at the highest levels checking in via zoom calls.
 
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Take away is it’s always easier to take the path of least resistance and go with the flow and even if you end up going over the waterfall…

Quite possible too involved as I picked out and wrote up the specs as my part of the build team in 1994 always opting for durability for the long haul and made the case it’s actually saving us money…

I won’t argue I’m not the best fit in a large enterprise and 85,000 employees is large.

Case in point if I may…

Corp decided to do a landfill waste audit enterprise wide several months back sending out teams in hazmat suits to empty, sort and document the contents of our landfill stream…

It was quite a production with different colored tarps taking up a section of cordoned off parking lot…

The audit revealed we were fully compliant and the team found nothing that shouldn’t be placed for collection… which I said before they began… they showed up twice.

The exercise was billed to my center in the amount of $25,000 for the audit.

Doing research I found one center was fined a high dollar amount for improper disposal of bloody gauze and surgical drapes so corporate legal said every site must be audited…

We redbag anything with a drop of blood for biohazard disposal and no one would place a redbag in landfill trash…

It could be as simple as engineers tend to calculating and factual and it’s my signature on each manifest…

When dollars are scarce it’s only reasonable they be allocated by substance and not fluff…
 
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How many more years to retirement?
Depends on when you ask…

I need to use up all my accumulated vacation leave first!

There is early retirement, full retirement and Medicare age retirement…
 
/ Decorating: latex paint over stain grade hardwood? #33  
Another perspective is that as long as they are happy painting for decorating purposes, maybe they aren’t messing with things that really matter?
 
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^^^ Good point… I’m doing my best not to get sucked in.

Decorating is very subjective and I made 2 suggestions… I asked the committee if they could identify the look they want from any of our other facilities… much easier when everyone agrees and no surprises when done.

The second is corp uses interior designers for new hospital builds and I suggested reaching out.

The only thing clear is the committee says what we have is dated and doesn’t pop… no glamor?

December employees were surveyed on priorities and redecorating the lobby did not even get 1 vote.

Here is the top 10.

1. Better Parking Lot lighting
2. Replace out of service equipment
3. Gourmet Coffee for staff
4. Free EV charging
5. Educational assistance for dependents.
6. New Patient Monitors
7. Seal and stripe parking lot
8. Parking lot security
9. Daily muffins/bagels
10. Staff to be able to text patients.

Based on input it’s the security in the parking lot and replacing/updating equipment.

I think when the cost numbers come in as well as the disruption to make over the lobby it will be dropped.

Let’s deep clean, paint same color and not rip out and start over.
 
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1 & 8 along with your prior post about having to clean up needles outside immediately tells me your employees are concerned about their personal safety in the parking area. That is where I'd put my attention.
 
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1 & 8 along with your prior post about having to clean up needles outside immediately tells me your employees are concerned about their personal safety in the parking area. That is where I'd put my attention.
Yes… nothing has happened but many staff commute from more affluent and even wealthy areas of the Bay Area and just having a homeless person approach with or without shopping cart asking for change at 5 am in the morning or 7 pm in the evening has resulted in more than a few finding employment elsewhere.

It was not always like this but the last 10 years it’s the reality.

The reason I start at 4 am to open after 20+ years of closing is because of the transient population…

First thing I do is clear the doorways each morning…

Some nurses will call and ask to be escorted and others just happy to see my car parked in the engineering spot.

I think it’s more that I’m 6’4” and 245 pounds compared to some staff as short as 4’8 and 90 pounds…
 
/ Decorating: latex paint over stain grade hardwood? #37  
If there are steps that could reasonably be taken to actually improve the security of the staff, that would be my priority.
 
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I proposed and provided cost to install perimeter fencing and controlled access via attendant or automated gate…

This was a few years back and the cost floored Admin.

The lighting comes up every winter when the days are short… in the summer no one mentions lighting because the daylight hours are long.

We do have overnight roving security patrol that covers before I arrive and checks in with me before leaving…

The security patrol’s main purpose is to prevent homeless camps from setting up… it costs local business tens of thousands of dollars once set up because it then requires legal court ordered eviction to remove… police won’t do anything once a camp is established.

9 pm to 5 am overnight security patrols worth every penny with costs shared by several local businesses…
 
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Maybe one way of justifying the cost of fencing/gating is to look at the cost of losing employees and/or increased costs in employee retention if it could be established that potential employees prefer to work elsewhere where the community is safer or your hospital has to pay more to induce employees to work there.
 
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How much are parking lot lights? Could you just put up a pole and attach a dawn to dusk LED light? I have several around my place and they work great. Cost of the light at Lowes is $70
 

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