Clearing a Path

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Without cutting it down and counting the rings, I think you might be off on how old that tree is. My land was cleared by the US Army in 1942 to build a Training Base for soldiers going to WW2. Every tree was removed.

Since closing the base in 1945, the trees have been cleared for farming, but not all of them, and some are probably from 1945. None are any older than that, and I have quite a few oak trees that are as big as yours, with a couple that are quite a bit bigger.
I own a piece of land that was cleared by the US Army in the Civil War for an artillery battery. It's wooded now so I figured the trees were all about 150 years old. A 48" white oak fell in a storm and when I counted the rings it had about 100.
 
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I'll take some measurements when I get back over there, but based on this I'll stick with my "200 years" estimate.

I estimate the diameter at 5+ feet, even if I'm off by a foot and the Diameter is only 4' that puts the circumference at 12' 6".

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   / Clearing a Path #43  
There's no way you can estimate the age of a tree from its diameter. Trees grow at varying rates depending on conditions. I think we've all seen wood of the same species where new growth has rings 1/4" apart and old growth might have 50 rings to the inch.

I just posted about a 100-year-old white oak -- I counted the rings -- that was 4' at chest level. A black cherry that was 32"+ at chest was 52 years old. Maybe I'm OCD, but when I cut up a tree I try to count the rings, just to learn more about my property. I recently cut up a tree where the early rings were quite tight, but the recent ones were 1/4" or more. I counted the new rings and there were 18 of them. Eighteen years ago I had cleared around that tree and it had taken off.

This is a piece of wood from my old barn, about 150 years old (See This Old Barn ). Those rings are about the size of my fingerprints. That's white pine. If you were to buy a piece today at Home Depot the rings would be 3/8" apart.

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   / Clearing a Path #44  
Sir, I feel that your tractors will come with a loader bucket, how does this work, we rarely have this configuration on our side
 
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Around here, trees age like this.... An oak tree sitting out in the middle of a field with no competition for sunlight will grow short and stout, like the FAT oaks you see along country roads next to fields. You put that same oak tree in a forest with other trees where it has to compete for sunlight, and it will grow tall and straight, but not nearly as FAT.

We have a section in our forest that we planted in 1989 with alternating rows of pines and mixed hardwoods. The pines grow fast to stress the hardwoods to reach for sunlight between them. Eventually, the hardwoods peak out over the pines and start putting on girth.

After 35 years, the largest hardwoods are only about 12-16" in diameter at chest height in that section. ;)
 
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Around here, trees age like this.... An oak tree sitting out in the middle of a field with no competition for sunlight will grow short and stout, like the FAT oaks you see along country roads next to fields. You put that same oak tree in a forest with other trees where it has to compete for sunlight, and it will grow tall and straight, but not nearly as FAT.
The link in the post just above yours states that very thing. Yet I have looked at enough growth rings and counted enough branch whorls to take any other method of aging them with a grain of salt.
You can have two trees side by side the same age; one will be big and tall, the other will be short and scrawny because it lost the fight for sunlight and nutrients.

Kinda like the song by Rush...
 
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^^^^
That made a nice table.
 
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Around here, trees age like this.... An oak tree sitting out in the middle of a field with no competition for sunlight will grow short and stout, like the FAT oaks you see along country roads next to fields. You put that same oak tree in a forest with other trees where it has to compete for sunlight, and it will grow tall and straight, but not nearly as FAT.

We have a section in our forest that we planted in 1989 with alternating rows of pines and mixed hardwoods. The pines grow fast to stress the hardwoods to reach for sunlight between them. Eventually, the hardwoods peak out over the pines and start putting on girth.

After 35 years, the largest hardwoods are only about 12-16" in diameter at chest height in that section. ;)
I grew up in California and the oak trees are so different from the oak trees that grow straight east of CA. Live oaks and valley oaks and other oaks that grew and still grow where I lived never grew straight and tall. They were all twisted. As a kid I wondered how anything could be made from oak trees because none were straight. Then I grew up and learned about other types of oak trees. I once worked with a guy who grew up in Ohio and we were talking about oak trees. He drew me a picture of an oak tree leaf and I told him it didn't resemble the oak tree leaves I grew up with. This discussion happe4ned in Washington state. I went on a trip to California to Laguna Seca for the races and collected a bunch of oak tree leaves. They of course looked way different than the eastern oak tree leaves. I showed them to the guy I worked with and he had a hard time believing that they were leaves from an oak tree. It is really interesting how different varieties of trees can be so different.
Eric
 
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interesting, I'll have to do some measuring and research. Maybe the pic doesn't do them justice, or maybe I'm just way off.

I've been to Sequoia national park and seen those and heard 1000 years old, these are as big as a sequoia but they are very large for an oak tree.
I can't say how old your oak tree is, I just made my comment because I had the exact same thought when I bought my land. I was positive that some of my trees were hundreds of years old because of how big they were. Then I had to remove one of the really big ones to bring the power line into my land, and a tree that I thought was really old, was actually just 70 years old!!!

Since I can document when the US Army owned my land, and I've seen the maps of how the base was laid out, I know that my land was stripped clear of trees in 1943. When they closed the base in 1945 it was offered back to the people, they took it from and then sold at auction. That's the earliest that a tree could start growing here.

Just talking about oak trees in my part of the country in East Texas. They tend to get pretty big, then they fall over in a big thunderstorm, or rot away from the inside, and break apart. I'm sure there are hundred-year-old oak trees here, but I also think they are very rare. Of all the tree species that I have, oaks are the most temperamental, and easiest to kill while trying to save them.
 

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