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I have a TIG welder, but I am not very good with it yet. I have an OA setup that I do okay with. I'm looking for a flux core MIG machine. Most of my welding is done outside and the nearest supplier for gasses is 1.3 hrs, one way, and $30 in tolls away. Hence looking for something that doesn't require gas. Most of my welding is 3/16" thick or smaller mild steel. On a rare occasion I'll do something 1/4", but never anything thicker. I would like a 110/220 machine for versatility. It might get used 4 times a year so I don't want to spend the big bucks. But I want something that will lay down a good bead, once I get some experience with it. Having to do a little clean up of the slag is okay with me. I'm thinking I'd like to keep the price below $1000 for the setup, $1200 max. What would you folks recommend for machine and wire? Thank you
 
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You must live on a barrier island and have to take a ferry.
 
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Think you need to really consider dual purpose machine (GMAW/FCAW) as both have their uses in different ways..... And cost wise, not that much difference.... I been welding with GMAW for about 8 years now and I still have about half of the demo roll of FCAW wire in drawer... If you do get dual application machine it does not mean you have to get solid wire and shield gas immediately but just having the capabilities is a step up....

Hobart makes a really nice dual voltage machine, the HANDLER 210MVP for about $1,150 (SRP) ... Shopping prices vary...

 
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I have an older Hobert Handler 175, which I bought maybe 20 years ago. Like you, most of my welding is outside, where shielding gas can be problematic. But flux core ain't no picnic either, so smokey that you're left basically welding by braille. It also smokes over your helmet viewing glass, it's a real mess.

If I were you, I'd buy a proper MIG, not just a wire welder. This gives you the option to run flux core when you need to weld on a breezy day, but regular wire and gas when conditions allow. You will need to change the drive wheel inside the machine to go back and forth, but that's a 60-second job... no problem.

As to brands and models, I've always been partial to Lincoln on stick welders and Hobert on MIG, but with no real reason other than populartiy and availability of emergency supplies on any given Saturday. Look at what your local TSC or hardware store stock, and consider where you're going to get tips, cones, and other parts when you need them in the middle of a project.
 
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Get some slag spray. It helps a lot. The beads will pop off with a putty knife or scraper. But READ the label/description. Some cheap spays are NOT for steel--They're for aluminum or brass (nozzles) only.
 
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Think you need to really consider dual purpose machine (GMAW/FCAW) as both have their uses in different ways..... And cost wise, not that much difference.... I been welding with GMAW for about 8 years now and I still have about half of the demo roll of FCAW wire in drawer... If you do get dual application machine it does not mean you have to get solid wire and shield gas immediately but just having the capabilities is a step up....

Hobart makes a really nice dual voltage machine, the HANDLER 210MVP for about $1,150 (SRP) ... Shopping prices vary...

Now I need to look up GMAW and FCAW to know what they are. I don't do 3/4 letter acronyms very well. DDG to the rescue.
 
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HANDLER 210 is on sale at Tractor Supply, that is only 25 minutes from me.... will go check it out.
 
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I own a pair of older Hobart Handler 210's. Excellent welders however, the older ones are transformer based, the newer ones are IGBT based. The older ones have excellent wetout and are easily controlled. Not sure about the newer ones but I'd buy one of the Harbor Freight Titanium flux core / solid machines instead. Much less expensive and just as good performance wise as the Hobart IGBT machines plus if it fails for any reason you can return it to HF and get your money back (standard 1 year guarantee, 3 additional years as added cost).

I like both my older Hobart's but if I was to buy new, it would be a HF titanium.

The only issue with the HF MIG's is you cannot do spray arc with them, not enough power. The Hobart's are just marginal and no more and I do a lot of spray arc welding, actually my preferred method. To spray arc, I have to run the 210's flat out.

Also, keep in mid that the newer Hobart welders are no longer made here. They are Chinese. My older ones were made in Troy, Ohio. That is long gone now.

Even the Lincoln MIG's are Chinese.
 
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Another thing to keep in mind when buying ANY welder and that is... If you have issues with it (one never knows), the HF welders are easy to return (so long as you purchase the extended warranty which guarantees them against everything for up to 4 years, whereas if you by a Lincoln or a Miller or an ESAB of even an Everlast, you have to take it to an authorized service center and then wait for it to be repaired. With the HF units. There is usually an HF store nearby so you take it back and they either refund your money or they give you a new one.

I know it works like that as I own a pair of HF plasma cutters and one pooped out so I returned it to the local store and they gave me a new one, no questions asked.

I sold my Lincoln TIG machine as well as my Hyper Therm plasma cutter and replaced both. A 205 Pro-Tig and the pair of plasma cutters. The 205 Pro-Tig is a fine machine btw. My good friend is a nuclear certified welder and he's used it in the past and was amazed at how well it welds (of course TIG welding takes skill) and the Titanium plasma cutters, the consumables are 1/4 the price of the Hyper Therm consumables, why I sold it as I use the larger one on my CNC plasma table so I burn through a lot of consumables. Other nice thing about the Titanium Plasma cutter is, HF sells it with the CNC interface already installed so it's basically plug and play CNC. Had to wire the HT to run on the table.

Only thing I added to the 205 was the Everlast water cooler and a CK Worldwide Series 20 flex head TIG torch. The 205 comes with everything including the foot pedal but the torch is air cooled and an air cooled torch don't work well with aluminum at higher amperage, consequently, the water cooled torch. I don't like getting toasted fingers.

I will say that Hobart does sell a nice series of auto dark hoods, just bought one to replace my ancient Hobart auto dark hood.
 
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Now I need to look up GMAW and FCAW to know what they are. I don't do 3/4 letter acronyms very well. DDG to the rescue.
GMAW is Gas Metal Arc Welding as in shielding gas and solid wire MIG. FCAW is Flux Core MIG. SMAW is Stick Metal Arc Welding.

I do them all. I own a nice Lincoln engine drive ac/dc welder as well. it's over 25 years old and bought it new. Even has the HF start on it for TIG welding.
 
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Another thing to keep in mind when buying ANY welder and that is... If you have issues with it (one never knows), the HF welders are easy to return (so long as you purchase the extended warranty which guarantees them against everything for up to 4 years, whereas if you by a Lincoln or a Miller or an ESAB of even an Everlast, you have to take it to an authorized service center and then wait for it to be repaired. With the HF units. There is usually an HF store nearby so you take it back and they either refund your money or they give you a new one.

I know it works like that as I own a pair of HF plasma cutters and one pooped out so I returned it to the local store and they gave me a new one, no questions asked.

I sold my Lincoln TIG machine as well as my Hyper Therm plasma cutter and replaced both. A 205 Pro-Tig and the pair of plasma cutters. The 205 Pro-Tig is a fine machine btw. My good friend is a nuclear certified welder and he's used it in the past and was amazed at how well it welds (of course TIG welding takes skill) and the Titanium plasma cutters, the consumables are 1/4 the price of the Hyper Therm consumables, why I sold it as I use the larger one on my CNC plasma table so I burn through a lot of consumables. Other nice thing about the Titanium Plasma cutter is, HF sells it with the CNC interface already installed so it's basically plug and play CNC. Had to wire the HT to run on the table.

Only thing I added to the 205 was the Everlast water cooler and a CK Worldwide Series 20 flex head TIG torch. The 205 comes with everything including the foot pedal but the torch is air cooled and an air cooled torch don't work well with aluminum at higher amperage, consequently, the water cooled torch. I don't like getting toasted fingers.

I will say that Hobart does sell a nice series of auto dark hoods, just bought one to replace my ancient Hobart auto dark hood.
Nearest HF is 3 hrs round trip and $30 in tolls away, Tractor Supply(Hobart) is 25 min away, although they don't have the warranty coverage that HF does. But it all boils down to the fact that getting gas for any of the welding processes is a major pain in the @$$ and I was trying to avoid having to deal with that.
 
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Nearest HF is 3 hrs round trip and $30 in tolls away, Tractor Supply(Hobart) is 25 min away, although they don't have the warranty coverage that HF does. But it all boils down to the fact that getting gas for any of the welding processes is a major pain in the @$$ and I was trying to avoid having to deal with that.
I buy ALL my shielding gas bottles from Weldfabulous in Winona, Minn. They ship FULL 120 cubic foot bottles and smaller of everything but acetylene and they ship via Fed-Ex right to your door. You can buy direct from them or on Amazon (they sell on there as well) and shipping is included in the price, either way... New, unused bottles, filled to at least 2100 Psi and far as HF welders, you can buy them online from HF as well.

I have my bottles I buy from them refilled at the local (Toledo, Ohio) Air Gas compressor facility.

If your Hobart pukes and you buy it from Tractor Supply, good luck getting it repaired on replaced. Around here we refer to Tractor Supply as the store where everything that isn't made in China is either scratched, dented or broken...

Now I've given you options, up to you to make an informed choice.
 
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I've heard good things about Hobart, if you want to buy local like it sounds like you do I wouldn't be too worried about it, I haven't looked into that model but is it dual voltage and such like most are anymore that are inverter welders? That's very handy...

Flux core gets a bad rap since it's messy but it definitely has it's place... I was welding on some cast iron the other day and used that over other options since it's the easiest option for what I was doing even though I had a welder set up for TIG at the time and I think I have some nickel rod... it was just a shifter so not critical or stressed to the limit...

Anything is about the same anymore, I have a bunch of the Titanium stuff from Harbor Freight but I don't favor one over another too strongly... get what you can get then test it out pretty good right off, it'll either work fine or not with the quality of anything anymore.
 
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I buy ALL my shielding gas bottles from Weldfabulous in Winona, Minn. They ship FULL 120 cubic foot bottles and smaller of everything but acetylene and they ship via Fed-Ex right to your door. You can buy direct from them or on Amazon (they sell on there as well) and shipping is included in the price, either way... New, unused bottles, filled to at least 2100 Psi and far as HF welders, you can buy them online from HF as well.

I have my bottles I buy from them refilled at the local (Toledo, Ohio) Air Gas compressor facility.

If your Hobart pukes and you buy it from Tractor Supply, good luck getting it repaired on replaced. Around here we refer to Tractor Supply as the store where everything that isn't made in China is either scratched, dented or broken...

Now I've given you options, up to you to make an informed choice.
There in lies the problem, it is not getting the bottles, it is getting them refilled. The nearest refill facility is a 3 hr round trip and $30 in tolls away. Since they don't refill on the spot, I need to make two trips, one to drop off, one to pick up. I'll spend more in gas and tolls than it will cost to fill the bottle.
 
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You couldn't wrench my MIG from my stiff cold finders. When working in a breeze, I sent up cardboard wind breaks on horses. Have used inner-shield, no thanks. I just trade bottles at the welding supply shop.
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...I just trade bottles at the welding supply shop...
He doesn't have that option...

I have the Harbor Freight Titanium flux-core, it's alright not that powerful. I have that at home for tiny stuff.

I bought Amico MIG-130A which burns a lot hotter than HF Titanium (even on 115v). If you only need to glue metal together, since it's $150 - if it doesn't work for you, you are not out a bunch of money.

 
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There in lies the problem, it is not getting the bottles, it is getting them refilled. The nearest refill facility is a 3 hr round trip and $30 in tolls away. Since they don't refill on the spot, I need to make two trips, one to drop off, one to pick up. I'll spend more in gas and tolls than it will cost to fill the bottle.
You seem to have either a logistics issue or something else. You can exchange bottles at most LWS places instead of getting them filled. In my situation, I have them filled because I have multiple owned bottles on hand all the time and even in a production scenario (which I have) a 120 cubic foot bottle lasts about a week.
 
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Need to get past refill mentality and embrace exchange mentality when using shield gasses or oxygen/acetylene systems....
Only thing I exchange is my dissolved acetylene and I have a reason as well. I do that because I'm not fond of banged up exchange bottles at all as all my bottles are nice and clean and damage free and because I have multiples of everything, dropping off an empty to be refilled is no big deal and usually I'm dropping more than one anyway.

Just had my insurance carrier inspect the shop and right away he took note of not only the secured full bottles but the secured bottles chained to the welding carts. My full bottles (and the empty ones are securely chained up in the far corner of the shop.

Not any of it is a mental issue with me, never has been and all my owned bottles are tattooed with the company name anyway.
 

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