Gooseneck for 150/1500 truck

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First off, I will say I'm not looking to haul big loads or weight. But curious about this.
I just sold my aluminum tandem axle trailer because despite even having my welding shop add crossmembers and beef it all up, every single time I towed my 5200 tractor to a show, that trailer would have to go back to the welding shop for cracks. So I ordered a steel 10,800 pound bumper pull beavertail equipment trailer.

But it got me thinking, I've seen some goosenecks that aren't much heavier than the bumper pulls. But my trailer dealer said no way to buying a gooseneck for my F150.

Reason I'm curious about this is a gooseneck is SOOO much safer and better weight distribution than a bumper pull. If you look at what Ford approves my F150 to pull on a receiver hitch....no way I'd want to do that.

Anyone ever pull a gooseneck with a half ton? Like I said, I'm only looking to haul a 5200 pound tractor.
 

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   / Gooseneck for 150/1500 truck
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Should have just kept one of my class 8 trucks or my F550. Because no way I'm buying a new one thanks to covid pricing.

I'll just keep hauling one tractor at a time to the shows.
 
   / Gooseneck for 150/1500 truck #4  
Just wondering if there is a concern from truck manufacturers about frame strength on 1/2 ton after drilling mounting holes for goose neck connection point?

Are the frame rails strengthened on 3/4 ton where the attachment connection is mounted?

Reason for asking is that I know 40 years ago certain truck models this was the case not sure about today.
 
   / Gooseneck for 150/1500 truck #5  
I don't believe you have the springs or rear tires to handle a gooseneck SAFELY. While it's possible for some 1/2-ton trucks to tow certain gooseneck trailers, it's not generally recommended due to potential safety and mechanical issues. Gooseneck trailers typically exert a higher percentage of their weight onto the truck's hitch, potentially exceeding the truck's payload and tow ratings even if the overall trailer weight is within limits.

Here's why:
  • Higher Tongue Weight:
    Gooseneck trailers, compared to bumper-pull trailers, place a larger percentage of their weight (20-25%) on the truck's hitch. This can quickly overload the truck's payload capacity, even if the overall trailer weight is within the truck's tow rating.

  • Payload Capacity:
    A half-ton truck's payload capacity (the amount of weight it can carry in the bed and on the hitch) is often limited. Exceeding the payload can lead to unsafe handling, increased braking distances, and potential damage to the truck.

  • Safety Concerns:
    Overloading a half-ton truck with a gooseneck trailer can result in compromised handling, especially in situations like turns, braking, or encountering uneven road surfaces.

    I'm not saying it can't be done, but if a crash happens, you may not have a leg to stand on, legally or insurance wise. Certainly, the gooseneck type hitch has some great advantages: turn radius, emergency avoidance, and very high speed stability (as long as the truck can take the side to side load transfer that goes on during all of this). Plus, it isolates the trailer's roll mode from the truck's roll dynamics, unlike a 5th wheel hitch).

    But, people do it with campers all the time. Ask your insurance company what they think, and have the GVWR and tire placard info handy if the DOT police pull you over.
 
   / Gooseneck for 150/1500 truck #6  
I don't believe you have the springs or rear tires to handle a gooseneck SAFELY. While it's possible for some 1/2-ton trucks to tow certain gooseneck trailers, it's not generally recommended due to potential safety and mechanical issues. Gooseneck trailers typically exert a higher percentage of their weight onto the truck's hitch, potentially exceeding the truck's payload and tow ratings even if the overall trailer weight is within limits.

Here's why:
  • Higher Tongue Weight:
    Gooseneck trailers, compared to bumper-pull trailers, place a larger percentage of their weight (20-25%) on the truck's hitch. This can quickly overload the truck's payload capacity, even if the overall trailer weight is within the truck's tow rating.

  • Payload Capacity:
    A half-ton truck's payload capacity (the amount of weight it can carry in the bed and on the hitch) is often limited. Exceeding the payload can lead to unsafe handling, increased braking distances, and potential damage to the truck.

  • Safety Concerns:
    Overloading a half-ton truck with a gooseneck trailer can result in compromised handling, especially in situations like turns, braking, or encountering uneven road surfaces.

    I'm not saying it can't be done, but if a crash happens, you may not have a leg to stand on, legally or insurance wise. Certainly, the gooseneck type hitch has some great advantages: turn radius, emergency avoidance, and very high speed stability (as long as the truck can take the side to side load transfer that goes on during all of this). Plus, it isolates the trailer's roll mode from the truck's roll dynamics, unlike a 5th wheel hitch).

    But, people do it with campers all the time. Ask your insurance company what they think, and have the GVWR and tire placard info handy if the DOT police pull you over.
I disagree with this, and here is why.
The O/P says that he has a 5200 pound tractor that he is currently hauling with a bumper pull trailer. If it is safe and legal for him to pull that weight with his current F150, then moving the hitch point from the bumper to above the rear axle will make hauling the load so much safer it isn't even close! By moving it to a gooseneck, you have just moved the weight that was hanging off the back end, causing the front end to be extremely light, (which needs to be heavier in order to have traction for the front tires so they can stop the vehicle) to about an inch in front of the rear axle center which makes the vehicle so much more stable, and puts the weight on the vehicle rather than pushing down behind it.
What most people consider with a gooseneck trailer is that they will pull more weight, because you can put more on the tow vehicle, which requires a bigger truck, so we see them being pulled by bigger trucks.
I say have the O/P go weigh his bumper pull trailer as to how much weight he has on the trailer tires, and then compare that to a gooseneck (adjusting for tare weigh of each vehicle) and my thoughts are, if he puts the tractor weight in the same place (again, allowing for the difference in tare weight), I imagine he will have a much safer combination towed vehicle. Now there are a couple things that might skew this a little, so he will have to actually go weigh both trailers while hooked up to his tow vehicle. Just pull across the scale and leave only the trailer axles on the platform. Do that empty and loaded to determine how much weight you have on the trailer axles themselves. When you calculate how much the tractor is adding to the bumper pull, make sure it is adding the same amount to the gooseneck. What that does is keeps you from putting more weight on the tow vehicle when you change to a gooseneck. What you will end up with is a comparison of apples to apples and not apples to oranges.
i am pretty sure, if you graduate to a gooseneck, and keep the same amount of the tractors weight on the trailer, there won't be a huge difference in what your tow vehicle is doing, but it will handle it so much better because it isn't hanging off the back bumper, and the weight is being split between the drive axle and the steering axle.
David from jax
 
   / Gooseneck for 150/1500 truck #7  
Just use a WD hitch. That's about as close to getting the same outcome as your going to get. It moves the tongue weight forward just like a gooseneck.
 
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   / Gooseneck for 150/1500 truck #8  
First off, I will say I'm not looking to haul big loads or weight. But curious about this.
I just sold my aluminum tandem axle trailer because despite even having my welding shop add crossmembers and beef it all up, every single time I towed my 5200 tractor to a show, that trailer would have to go back to the welding shop for cracks. So I ordered a steel 10,800 pound bumper pull beavertail equipment trailer.

But it got me thinking, I've seen some goosenecks that aren't much heavier than the bumper pulls. But my trailer dealer said no way to buying a gooseneck for my F150.

Reason I'm curious about this is a gooseneck is SOOO much safer and better weight distribution than a bumper pull. If you look at what Ford approves my F150 to pull on a receiver hitch....no way I'd want to do that.

Anyone ever pull a gooseneck with a half ton? Like I said, I'm only looking to haul a 5200 pound tractor.
I pulled a 16'gooseneck stock trailer all over the place with a 1992 Chevrolet K-1500 and never had a problem, that's what I had back in those days. My current gooseneck trailer is a 25+5 Gatormade deckover that is heavy built with 14" I beams for the frame and it only weighs a little over 7k pounds, so about 3k+ less than your bumper pull, so if I understand correctly you would be much better off with a gooseneck trailer which would be lighter than that boat anchor hanging off the back of your truck.
 
   / Gooseneck for 150/1500 truck #9  
So I ordered a steel 10,800 pound bumper pull beavertail equipment trailer.
My current gooseneck trailer is a 25+5 Gatormade deckover that is heavy built with 14" I beams for the frame and it only weighs a little over 7k pounds, so about 3k+ less than your bumper pull, so if I understand correctly you would be much better off with a gooseneck trailer which would be lighter than that boat anchor hanging off the back of your truck.
Paystar & Lineman - Is Paystar's "10,800 pound bumper pull beavertail equipment trailer" 10,800 pounds capacity or weight?
 
   / Gooseneck for 150/1500 truck #10  
Paystar & Lineman - Is Paystar's "10,800 pound bumper pull beavertail equipment trailer" 10,800 pounds capacity or weight?
Pretty sure that is going to be the rated capacity of the trailer, as a really heavy built dual axle dual wheel trailer usually doesn't weigh close to 10, 800 pounds and the O/P is looking at a lot lighter trailer!
David from jax
 

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