Electricity Price Increases

[MossRoad]

Call it what you will but it is not BS

Where'd you hear that? Seriously. We want to know.

 

[rswyan]

Aired the other night:

AMERICAN EXPERIENCE: Clearing the Air: The War on Smog

 

[jyoutz]

Where'd you hear that?

We have lots of wind farms in my state. I’ve never seen a diesel generator at those locations.

 

[ponytug]

and yet California can't get their mass transit act together.

Yes, I agree, but not for lack of trying.

As @kenmbz pointed out, it isn't as easy in California or the West generally to do it, distance being one item, dispersed populations another, and let's not forget earthquake faults that complicate routes and engineering.

Also, not to overlook the obvious, but acquiring property for transit routes is expensive, as in very expensive.

There is some, small, progress being made with more high density housing adjacent to public transit, something that should have been done decades ago, but good old NIMBY intervened.

Having lived for a while in a dense city with excellent public transit, I'd love it. By excellent, I mean that the subway schedule had the arrival times down to every one minute and two seconds. It completely changed my mental map, as I knew that I could always get a train or a bus within a minute or two, but to be cost effective, that requires high population density, something not common in the US.

FWIW: I have never seen an even a backup generator on wind farms, much less each windmill. Every wind alternator/generator that I have seen is self exciting. It is kind of a basic "cold start/bootstrap" requirement. That there might be wind generators that might need deicing, possibly, but I'd have to bet on that being a more common offshore item, though, I haven't seen photos of that either.

All the best,

Peter

 

[kenmbz]

I've posted here (but now can't find it) a photo like this of the state capitol on a warm summer day. And I've see Los Angeles similar, you inhale and its like when you used too much Clorox to wipe down your shower.

So the people scream 'Do Something' at their elected officials. The regulations nobody likes are the result. But now we can breathe.

I lived in LA in the late 80's and remember the smog, so thick it used to be part of the weather forecast.

But once they got it under control, they kept adding more and more layers of regulations to anything they could. Raising costs and driving business away.

However , I have never seen them do anything about planes and airports and anything the political elite want to use. Houses the size of a city block.

 

[tacticalturnip]

So, how many of y'all are thinking of pulling the trigger and adding some self reliance if not just reducing your electric bill? It's not going to get any better.

It feels so over my head, I can't even imagine.

 

[rswyan]

I lived in LA in the late 80's and remember the smog, so thick it used to be part of the weather forecast.

But once they got it under control ...

They have never "gotten it under control" ...

Best that can be said is that they have lessened the problem to some extent ... to the point that, generally speaking, the air quality doesn't make it completely unlivable ...

 

[riptides]

HOW do you use so much electricity? Are you an Amazon hub?

I mine Bitcoin in my spare time. /s

 

[kenmbz]

LA will always be in a valley surrounded by mountains.
It's the number of people and lack of mass transit that dooms them.
you can get pollution from every device to almost zero, and they will still have problems.
Spend on mass transit and at least the levels can be reduced.
Now to talk about the water and the locals, that is what keeps me away.

 

[JasperFrank]

With my provider, the KWPH didn't change, but the Base Service Charge did.
I don't think there is a solution to that. As an experiment, on our last vacation for three weeks, we turned near everything off. Compared the bill to last year, (same time) and it was the same because of the increases in the Base Service Charge.