100 HP ytractors

[kenmac]

I'm kicking around the idea of a 100 HP cab tractor.
There appears to be many new / used ones of every brand on the market with very low hours.

My worriers are, with all these tractors on the market being fairly new /low hour tractors, why are people selling them ?
Are the owners having too many problems with the new electronics, DPF, DEF, etc, so they are just dumping them ?

Makes one in the market wonder why so many of these DPF / DPF tractors are being dumped !

I sure don't want to purchase something that is going to give nothing buy problems. Not many pre DPF/ DEF 100 HP cab tractors for sale in my area to chose from

 

[RNeumann]

At 100hp I assume a lot of those are commercial. Either the business failed, the needs changed or they were over extended with credit. The emissions have been out long enough that no brand is having enough issues to force everyone to sell. If they did it would be all over the Internet.

 

[nybirdman]

100 HP is too small for large farm operations and too big for most hobby farms.Closest farm to me;their smallest is 120 HP and seldom used.

 

[Ortimber]

A lot of what's for sale in ag sized equipment are harvest rental machines. Farms use them for a period of time and return them to the dealer. A lot them I've seen are 200-500hr machines. They were probably maintained properly and any bugs with electronics, emissions, etc. are probably all worked out. We have 5 newer machines (Kubota and Deere) and haven't had a single emissions issue.

 

[5030]

At 100hp I assume a lot of those are commercial. Either the business failed, the needs changed or they were over extended with credit. The emissions have been out long enough that no brand is having enough issues to force everyone to sell. If they did it would be all over the Internet.

Tier 4 engines are electronics are still troublesome and very expensive to repair for one. Secondly, it's a bad year for farming in general so many farmers are selling off equipment to reduce payment overhead. If you don't have it coming is, time to sell off. Payments don't stop just because you have a bad year.

Far as 100 horse tractors go, they aren't big tillage units but most farmers around here have a few for things like planting, ditch mowing and cultivating which aren't horsepower intensive.

Pre Tier 4 tractors are in high demand and command premium prices simply because most people (like me) who use their tractors in an ag setting don't want the hassle of an unexpected breakdown, reduce power (they derate when they have an issue) and then have to wait for the service truck to come out and hopefully cure the issue.

I run 2 pre tier 4 units, one with a cab and one without and while I don't farm 1000's of acres what I do farm, the just under 100 horse units do a fine job.

additionally, the Tier 4 tractors use a lot more fuel than a pre-tier 4 and some even have DEF injection, another added expense.

Given a choice, I prefer a mechanically injected no emissions hardware (junk) tractor. less complex means less issues.

 

[ovrszd]

100 HP is too small for large farm operations and too big for most hobby farms.Closest farm to me;their smallest is 120 HP and seldom used.

Yep. It's a delicate market size. It's also a large market size. That's why there are so many for sale.

I consider 100HP Utility tractors as the largest.

I consider 120HP AG tractors as the smallest.

This leaves a confusing area. Each manufacturer approaches this area differently. Good for us because there's unlimited choices.

 

[kenmac]

At 100hp I assume a lot of those are commercial. Either the business failed, the needs changed or they were over extended with credit. The emissions have been out long enough that no brand is having enough issues to force everyone to sell. If they did it would be all over the Internet.

well, it is on the net on kubota sites. I was talking with local kubota dealer the other day and asked specifically if they were having issues with the kubota.
He indicated they were having issues with DEF units, and that some reps from Kubota were in their shop not long ago trying to come up with a resolution to the problem

one issue is, DEF is easily contaminated due to it's short shelf life

The used (fairly new tractors) I see for sale are all DEF tractors. Which leads me to believe that kubota isn't the only ones having issues.

Most commercial farmers I know run larger tractors that 100 hp. 150-200+ hp

I now have a 51 hp.non cab. If I'm going to purchase a cab tractor, it needs to be at least 100 HP to make up for the lost power due to A/C and to pull a 12-15 ft bat wing.

Makes No sense for me to buy a 70 hp tractor, lose 10 hp due to A/C. Now I only have a 60 HP tractor.
I only gain 10 HP over what I already have

 

[kenmac]

I have located an Kubota M9960 cab. I haven't called about it yet. It's listed as non DEF, but I don't know if it's non DPF

suppose to be an 8 speed hyd. shuttle trans 1070 hrs. I intend to call about it next week to see if it's non DPF.

I was just wondering if anyone here has heard, or know first hand problems with all tractors having DEF issues,or is it just kubota

I looked at Mahindra as they claim no DPF ,or DEF. but when you get to the upper HP engines, they also use DEF. I just haven't heard of any Mahindra DEF /DPF issues but I'm sure Kubota isn't the only ones having issues

 

[BAP]

I have located an Kubota M9960 cab. I haven't called about it yet. It's listed as non DEF, but I don't know if it's non DPF

suppose to be an 8 speed hyd. shuttle trans 1070 hrs. I intend to call about it next week to see if it's non DPF.

I was just wondering if anyone here has heard, or know first hand problems with all tractors having DEF issues,or is it just kubota

I looked at Mahindra as they claim no DPF ,or DEF. but when you get to the upper HP engines, they also use DEF. I just haven't heard of any Mahindra DEF /DPF issues but I'm sure Kubota isn't the only ones having issues

That’s because Mahindra uses DOC instead of DEF or DPF.

 

[searcyfarms]

I'm kicking around the idea of a 100 HP cab tractor.
There appears to be many new / used ones of every brand on the market with very low hours.

My worriers are, with all these tractors on the market being fairly new /low hour tractors, why are people selling them ?
Are the owners having too many problems with the new electronics, DPF, DEF, etc, so they are just dumping them ?

Makes one in the market wonder why so many of these DPF / DPF tractors are being dumped !

I sure don't want to purchase something that is going to give nothing buy problems. Not many pre DPF/ DEF 100 HP cab tractors for sale in my area to chose from

My ever so humble opinion is this..............unless you come from a background of tractors you can be quickly deceived by a 100hp tractor. A lot of them are light weight with an embellished power rating when you compare them to 100hp tractors of 20 yrs ago. You have to move up in classes for truly bigger stuff.

The majority of 100hp tractors were substantially heavier and the HP rating was just that, when it said 100hp it was 100hp to the PTO not 70.

So whats happened to some is they buy a tractor thinking they can do the job they need/want to do and then they dont have the traction or power they were expecting and are frustrated especially when mowing THICK things, dragging HEAVY tillage equip, Picking up and moving things with a loader etc......

I have seen this happen and experienced it when working for others.

Example 5525 john deere - friend buys one to do batwing mowing on his CRP - warm season grasses/switchgrass/indian grass/big blue stem taller than the tractor - rated at 91 or 2 hp he says i can mow anything that white 105 will mow blah blah.........and i can pull anything you can with that white 105 i have FWA.

Guess who couldnt mow with the 15' batwing w/out going slower and overheating and couldnt drag a root plow with his FWA and who got pulled out with the 105 in the snow that year.

There is NO substitution for Weight and Power - be sure you research what you will be doing and match that with what it takes to do the job comfortably not on the fringe of specs

There is nothing more tiring than working with a piece of equipment that is marginal for your tractor and having to mentally stay on top of things to get the work done. I have learned over the years to buy it the right size the first time. You dont tear things up as much and get things done easier and less stressed. Less wear and tear make a lot of difference with you and the equipment and allows you to enjoy what you are doing.

 

[kenmac]

Yes, I'm very aware of the tractors of yesteryear compared to today. The older fords had huge radiators in front to keep the engine cool.
There newer tractors have very small radiators struggling to keep the engine cool

I had an old to20 once. The entire front was a radiator just to keep the little 20 hp cool and did a good job.


I struggle trying to keep my MX 5100 cool just pulling a 5 ft cutter in thick stuff.

I could go with a heavier tractor like the Manindra which weights quiet a bit more than the kubota, and some other tractors in the 100 hp range

It's just I'm not sure if the quality of mahindra is as good an the other brands

 

[kenmac]

That’s because Mahindra uses DOC instead of DEF or DPF.

Pretty sure the M force 105 uses DEF. not sure about DPF.
If you look at these tractors on line, you can see the blue cap indicating it has a DEF tank

 

[searcyfarms]

Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR) w/Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) is what i found - holds 5 gal of def - if you are looking at spending 70 to 80K what dealer/brands do you have in your area you would work with ?

 

[kenmac]

Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR) w/Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) is what i found - holds 5 gal of def - if you are looking at spending 70 to 80K what dealer/brands do you have in your area you would work with ?

well, I was hoping to find a good used pre-emissions tractor if that's possible. I really don't want these emissions problems people are having.

Manindra dealer about 60 miles away.. 2 kubota dealers within 20 miles. Deere dealer and case, massey, mccormick dealer within 20 miles

Don't really want a deere as most of my front attachments are for the Kubota type QA

I believe the mccormick uses a quickie loader, so that may not work either

A guy I bought my 2013 mx5100 from is a used tractor dealer that is about 30 miles away

He currently has a used Kubota m9960 with low hrs. he has it listed as no DEF. I haven't called him so I don't know if it has a DPF or not

 

[searcyfarms]

ya for those kinds of $$$ you can get a really nice tractor even for much less used, you can get a SSQA for about any model of tractor, they make adapters for the loaders so not a big deal if you find something you like - im not sure when they mandated Tier4 rules w/DPF on AG i know they did much earlier than 2013 on Trucks
The Case IH/LS/New Holland are all similar and i havent heard any catastrophic issues on those years specifically in those size tractors - I think there are some good AGCO units out there also. I have a friend that has a kubota and he has had a lot of issues with overheating and also AC issues just not cooling well, its been back to the dealer and others trying to resolve it and they say the radiator/condensor/fan blower are just not big enough for the HOT days hes trying to work.

Outside of that hes been pretty happy his is a 65hp 2012ish i think, non DPF

 

[kenmac]

Not sure when and how all emissions went into effect. I know when I bought the 2013 mx 5100, the dealer also had a 2013 7060. My 2013 had no emissions, the 2013 7060 had DPF.
Must had something to do with HP, or perhaps, the 7060 was built later in the same yr to have to had DPF

The Mccormick dealer has a 2006 105 HP cab tractor. Looks nice on the net. I haven't called about all the details. How many speeds, shuttle shift, hours, etc, he's asking 36 K I'll have to call next week

kubota guy has an M9960 not sure of yr mod. 8 speed Hyd shuttle. 3 sets of rear remotes 1070 hrs for 43 K.
He list the Kubota as not having DEF. I'll have to call and ask about DPF

I'm sure the Mccormick is a no emissions tractor .

Most people are buying these new emission tractors, because they can buy for zero % for a zillion months ! LOL

One thing is for sure. you don't want a cab tractor if the A/C isn't working correctly..

I would have thought the Japanese would have put better engineering into their tractors than they have .
But they are getting like others cutting corners to save the bottom line and hope things work out
When they don't, it's us the consumer that suffers

 

[searcyfarms]

good morning.............I love the looks of those mccormicks I also like the engines in them, they have the 4.4 perkins, is this a MC, CX or F series?

I saw them at the state fair here in those years and REALLY liked them. I have had multiple perkins engines and my buddies 2-105 is a perkins i think and we have had great luck with all of them.

MC is 16 speed partial p/s - F is a 15 speed - CX is a 24

I have one of those perkins in a SS currently mine is non turbo tho so less HP - they are VERY torquey engines and EASY on fuel.

I think a couple of them were made by ARGO i have no idea who they are = looks like they are english made/dorchester england

Im soured on Kubotas for several reasons around here with two friends and their experience with the larger Kubs, as well as mine with dealers/units i have rented. I do have to neighbors that have SCUTs and they have been happy with those.

After mowing CRP warm season grasses and 3 yr growth with small trees I will never try to do that with a tractor less than 125hp the 105hp we use tractor struggles in it but my on rated at 135 does it all with ease, well im not sure if its 135, never had it ona dyno, not sure if its stock. Its night and day difference.

I would love to have a mid range tractor like the mccormick that is modern, my 706/german is a joy to use but it is old school. Its just plain ole HOT in the summer so I plan accordingly when using it.

Sounds like you are on the right trail here with used and non emission units - there are some great choices out there

 

[kenmac]

They have this 2006 mod listed as MC105. as I said, I have no idea of the hours on it.

I have a friend not far from me that has a 90 something hp mccormick cab tractor. his is shuttle with a small paddle on the steering column. His is pre emissions, but it does have some electronics as it is electric shift with some sort of button on the shifter.

I had to charge his A/C this summer. told him he has a leak somewhere in the system.

I'm not in any hurry to buy. I'm not the type that jumps on the first thing I find. So, I can wait until something good comes along

My son lived in Arkansas. I see they farm with those BIG JD's and Case tractors with tracks.
They use kubotas and other brands for the very small task. But they don't get the big work.. It's mostly Case and JD.
Maybe I'll just drive over and get one of those big tract machines ! LOL

 

[kenmac]

comparing the M5111 cab tractor to the McCormick MC105

both cab tractors

the MC105----11,905 operating weight

the M5111-----7,685 operating weight

the McCormick weights 4,220 lbs more than the kubota
Is this crrect ?

 

[searcyfarms]

comparing the M5111 cab tractor to the McCormick MC105

both cab tractors

the MC105----11,905 operating weight

the M5111-----7,685 operating weight

the McCormick weights 4,220 lbs more than the kubota
Is this crrect ?

looks to be yes - mccormick has bigger front tires - hold close to 30 more gallons fuel - roughly 10 inches wider and longer - all those things being observed id say you are in a class up in frame/size altogether in the mccormick class of machine - that kind of weight is going to be welcomed on rough ground too

agreed on the patience, i looked for over a year for a good used tractor before we found the 5088 IH it was well worth the wait compared to what i had been looking at for the $$

the maxxum 120 i have heard a good tractor as of course you know about the magnums but the 7100/7200s are getting alittle long in the tooth but well worth the $$