1025R vs GC1720 vs BX25 vs emax 22

[MessickFarmEqu]

I don't think it's "made to rev". I think that's more of a secondary result to having a smaller hydro pump.

there is actually some truth to his 'made to rev' statement. it seems higher operating RPM's are being recommended more and more frequently. Its better for the machines to be humming along, fluids flowing and things warming up than it is for them to putter along at idle.

 

[varmint]

On the "made to rev" issue, years ago I enjoyed a Porsche 356 C, and its engine was made to rev. It just effortlessly would spin up to 4000 rpm or so (in the 60's, most engines had redlines not much higher than that) and that was where you would shift- in normal driving. Any less seemed like lugging it. It was engineered for that. I think the small Kubota engines are similar, which is fine.

 

[Sawworcs]

I purchased the Kioti CS2410 two years ago and could not be more happy. 115hrs and no problems. When I was shopping for a new tractor I looked at jd, kubota, LS, and Kioti. I went with the Kioti because it was at the top of the category in all the specs.. (hp,loader and three point lift). It also had great fit and finish. The 4 year engine and drive warranty didn't hurt my decision either.
Kubota would have been my second choice.

 

[Poopdeck Pappy]

On the "made to rev" issue, years ago I enjoyed a Porsche 356 C, and its engine was made to rev. It just effortlessly would spin up to 4000 rpm or so (in the 60's, most engines had redlines not much higher than that) and that was where you would shift- in normal driving. Any less seemed like lugging it. It was engineered for that. I think the small Kubota engines are similar, which is fine.

I've got a Honda S2000, which has variable valve timing and a 9,000rpm redline. THAT little engine is certainly made to rev. It's pretty tame below 5,000rpm. Once it hits 6,000rpm, the variable valve timing kicks in and all he!! breaks loose.

All this talk about the Kubota engines needing to rev is just a lot of chatter, IMO. There are thousands and thousands of these little engines out there working every day, and they are proven to be plenty durable. Engine durability of a Kubota diesel is not something anyone should be concerned about.

And neither of my Kubota BX tractors needs to be run at high revs to operate the loader, if that's the concern. Yes, at idle the loader operates slowly. But at about 1/2 throttle, it's plenty fast and strong for its size.

 

[flienlow]

I've got a Honda S2000, which has variable valve timing and a 9,000rpm redline. THAT little engine is certainly made to rev. It's pretty tame below 5,000rpm. Once it hits 6,000rpm, the variable valve timing kicks in and all he!! breaks loose.

All this talk about the Kubota engines needing to rev is just a lot of chatter, IMO. There are thousands and thousands of these little engines out there working every day, and they are proven to be plenty durable. Engine durability of a Kubota diesel is not something anyone should be concerned about.

And neither of my Kubota BX tractors needs to be run at high revs to operate the loader, if that's the concern. Yes, at idle the loader operates slowly. But at about 1/2 throttle, it's plenty fast and strong for its size.

For me needing to rev the engine would be slightly annoying to live with but not a deal breaker. What is more would be not having enough hydraulic grunt and being slow once it was reving. Do you find your BX's to be adequate compared to other machines? Do you make a living with them or just use them around the house?

 

[Code54]

Poopdeck Pappy -"And neither of my Kubota BX tractors needs to be run at high revs to operate the loader, if that's the concern. Yes, at idle the loader operates slowly. But at about 1/2 throttle, it's plenty fast and strong for its size."
Your point about the speed/power for the size is dead on!
For a few years I made my money running tractors, now I just use them around the house, maintaining a shared road and one farm. I have two machines, a 50+hp and my little BX, and had several other machine in the past. I personally don't have any problems with the BX's speed when using the machine. Over all it seems very well balanced,smooth and precise. What I noticed is the BX hydro system is well balanced for its size/weight - some machine have more lift, speed etc but I found the balance to be off and have seen them overturned or overworked more frequently.

 

[Poopdeck Pappy]

For me needing to rev the engine would be slightly annoying to live with but not a deal breaker. What is more would be not having enough hydraulic grunt and being slow once it was reving. Do you find your BX's to be adequate compared to other machines? Do you make a living with them or just use them around the house?

I find my BXs to be completely adequate. I have only had the BX2660 a couple of weeks and it's been raining practically every day, so it hasn't seen much use yet. But its hydraulics seem to operate just like the BX23, which I find to be very satisfactory for its size. And it doesn't need to be running full bore to have adequate power.

You need to find a dealer that will let you take a BX25 (or a BX of some flavor) for a spin, and hopefully move some dirt or something, so you can get a feel for it. That's the only way you will really know if it's adequate FOR YOU (and that's the important thing).

 

[AxleHub]

I'm a bit surprised with this thread discussing sub compacts, that no one has discussed Yanmar products. The SC2400 and now the 221 have a lineage similar in length and quantity to Kubota. Both Kubota and Yanmar produce true sub compacts. Kubota BX is the largest maker of sub compact tractors.

Just a couple things: this issue of "speed of loader" is not about small sized pumps. It is about 2 pumps versus one pump . . . a yanmar or kubota have nearly identical hydrawlic sized pump volume . . But kubota has a single larger pump while yanmar's is two smaller pumps . . thus yanmar's loader moves faster at slower rpms.

Many comments are made about si.ze. As an example . . NH/LS or Mahindras are taller tractors with larger tires and heavier weights. A kubota B series or Yanmar 300 series are more closely lined up with them.

But a Yanmar 221 or kubota bx meet the need for many who want good ground clearance but low seat height. Both are good on steep turf hills and close lawn cutting. They are true sub compacts and each has pioneered unique designs and features for that category.

 

[94BULLITT]

For me needing to rev the engine would be slightly annoying to live with but not a deal breaker. What is more would be not having enough hydraulic grunt and being slow once it was reving. Do you find your BX's to be adequate compared to other machines? Do you make a living with them or just use them around the house?

John Deere wants you to have the tractor at full throttle at any time you are moving.

 

[boutym]

I've had a Massey 2610 TLB for nearly 2 years and love the thing. I looked at JD, New Holland, Kubota, Mahindra and a few others and kept coming back to the Massey. Not to mention around here very few people even know what a Massey-Ferguson is, so it's a conversation piece as well. So far there's nothing I haven't been able to do with it, including digging out the stump of a 3 foot diameter tree. There are a few minor design details I would change, but nothing to really squawk about.

My biggest issue with the Kubota was the cost and backhoe bucket size. The Massey bucket is much larger. Mahindra are said to be decent machines, but didn't care for the 'unfinished' look of them. JD is a decent machine, but the dealer here is an arrogant ***, so that pretty much killed that one for me.