$11,000 Water Bill

   / $11,000 Water Bill #61  
I have plenty of pics. from over the years of holes warn in pipe and fittings that started out as small leaks in all kinds of pipe here's an example of a large hole that started from a crack. Water has the same effect on brass fittings.
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   / $11,000 Water Bill #62  
i am wondering if there is any sort of correctly installed supports on the ends of pipes or were ever there might be a 45 to 90 or tee fitting.

water hammer effect. more noticeable in old homes, you turn on sink. and then shut the sink off. and pipes rattle within the home. another example hooking up a garden hose outside with a nozzle. and turn the nozzle wide open, and then you quickly release the nozzle. and the garden hose "shakes and surges". if the garden hose is kinda scattered in a bundle not really coiled up. you may see the garden hose almost look alive, as you release the handle on the nozzle. this would be water hammering effect.

once that water begins moving, it just like a train, it needs time to stop moving, and the force of the water stopping needs to be addressed. if not every time you use water. and then shut a valve (sink, toilet, shower, etc...) the pipe will take a beating itself and can pull itself apart. due to the pipes and fittings need to with stand the force of the water stopping and coming to a stand still.

inside diameter of pipe, length of pipe, GPM (gallons per minute), type of material pipe is made of, and how it was installed and supported. can make a large difference. along with if there is any sort of "water hammer" resister and placement of them.

check valve fittings most likely between water line outside and just before or after the meter, perhaps at the home itself if meter is at the road. a water hammer resister pending on placement of the check valve placement can be good or bad. in dealing with water hammering effect.

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examples of a water hammer resister....

a fitting with a spring, much like a hydrualic cylinder for a tractor. when you shut a valve, the pressure builds up and pushes on the spring to help "slow down" the water vs causing the water to suddenly stop.

a pipe extending straight up vertically, that has air in it. as the pressure builds up the air compresses, much like a spring compresses.

a well tank. much like the pipe vertically above, but generally has a rubber bladder in it (balloon). it can be smaller than what it would take for a straight pipe with an end cap on it.

expansion tanks for say a boiler, or in floor heating with fluid. smaller than a well tank. also help with water hammering effect pending on how they are installed and made.

i forget the terms used, for dealing with piping that is buried outside of home. and correct support of fittings (45, 90,s etc..) that cause a change in direction of the pipe / hose.
 
   / $11,000 Water Bill #63  
I had water hammer effect with my system (650ft) when the well shut off. It was a jolt on the system with all that water moving towards the house then suddenly stopped. I installed a air tank in the piping near the well in the well pit. It just cushioned the sudden stop a bit and is now quiet.
 
   / $11,000 Water Bill #64  
Have you thought having your wife making contact with the local TV station? Generally every TV station has a consumer complaint department that the news department finds interesting and note worthy to make the news in the buyers defense.

With a 11k water bill due to the apparent neglect of the builder, and the head of the family being deployed in a combat zone in defense of our country, I can't help but think that some news organization would think this would be a story looking into....

Yep, this was my thought as well. Getting lawyered up is a PITA. Now, if the OP can get a lawyer for free, that is a different story. Just mentioning to the builder that one is about to go to the TV station to see if they are interested in the story might set a fire under the builders rear end. The TV station would love the story:
  • Builder put in wrong pipe and installed incorrectly
  • Home owner gets $11,000 water bill due to leaky pipe
  • Father is deployed overseas.
  • Mother is serving her country, taking care of a baby while her husband is deployed and she has to deal with this water issue that
  • Builder not want to fix pipe and pay the water bill.

That is a news story that no builder would ever want aired.

Later,
Dan
 
   / $11,000 Water Bill #65  
I am putting in another vote for black poly pipe! But make sure it is 1" thick wall well pipe not thin wall pipe.
 
   / $11,000 Water Bill #66  
When we put in our well, it was about a 500 ft run up the hill and we have rocky clay. We ran it through 4" corrugated pipe to stop the rocks from working around rubbing it.
 
   / $11,000 Water Bill #67  
I can't find the DWV marking on the pipe, but if that's the case , it's not meant to be used in a pressurized system. Add that to the fact that it wasn't installed by a licensed installer, never passed inspection, and is still under warranty, and I think you are in the clear here.
I would demand full replacement by a qualified plumber, using approved materials for potable water line to a dwelling. HDPE poly line is tough as ****, and can be welded, or clamped with stainless steel clamps if it is approved for use in your area. Less joints to possibly fail.
Seems like your contractor cut some corners, and now will be forced to go back and do it the right way , hopefully at his and the installers expense.
 
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Hopefully I'll have more information next week. I'll keep this updated with the outcome. I appreciate everyone's advice and support. I know we will get through this.
 
   / $11,000 Water Bill #70  
I can't find the DWV marking on the pipe, but if that's the case , it's not meant to be used in a pressurized system. Add that to the fact that it wasn't installed by a licensed installer, never passed inspection, and is still under warranty, and I think you are in the clear here.
I would demand full replacement by a qualified plumber, using approved materials for potable water line to a dwelling. HDPE poly line is tough as ****, and can be welded, or clamped with stainless steel clamps if it is approved for use in your area. Less joints to possibly fail.
Seems like your contractor cut some corners, and now will be forced to go back and do it the right way , hopefully at his and the installers expense.
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