clemsonfor, My ignorance doth abound.:laughing: They were actually a good group of guys and I harbor no ill will against them. They had a deadline to meet and we discussed the possibility of the property damage with the changing weather conditions. He did offer to go to another site till it dried up. I told them to go ahead and finish the job. I understand your point though. After re-reading my last post I can see how it might make the loggers look bad and that was not my intention. The property was not being used for anything and now that most of the stumps have had time to soften up I will attempt to clear and level it, and tie it into the part of the property that we live on. I am doing this mostly to have something to do with the tractor and it makes me feel productive. I work a 28/28 day schedule and when home I sometimes need something to keep me occupied and escaping on the tractor fits the bill. Thanks for taking the time to comment.
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clemsonfor
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Sorry were getting sidetracted, but you live in the south so im guessing that these are pines, most likely. Even a 8" pine stump i dont think your pulling up with a 2200lb 24 hp tractor! You may be able to cut and dig the 12" and smaller ones out, but even a D4 will struggle with stumps that are in the 19" inch range once the tree is no longer standing (for leverage). A better bet and my honest opinion, here is dont fool with it. Now if there small hardwoods and like first thin pine you may be able to do it, but will take forever!
What i would do is to wait another year maybe or maybe not, but get as big a drill bit as you can still turn, get or rent a 1/2 drill and drill maybe 5 holes for every 8" of stump diameter and pour your old oil and deisel fuel in them letting them soak several spplications up over a few days, then after a soaking rain, say maybe a few days later (in winter) go out there on a windless day and set them on fire with tthe rest of the piles. Those stumps will burn all the way down, removing the tap root and any big laterals, leaving huge holes to now fill. Way less effort involved. I have done this with a few old small stumps with great sucess.
Just a bit of info, this will not work on Hardwood stumps, unless you kill them with herbicide and then let them lay another 2-3 years, as the stump is still alive and to wet to burn out.
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Ah, the perennial traction problem...It seems to me that a good tractor always has more power than traction. A good-fitting set of chains makes a worthwhile difference. A turns out that a 20/30 hp tractor is light enough to use automotive chains, although it will take an evening with a vise, pliers, and hammers to meld a couple of sets of old automotive chains into a good fitting set for the tractor. Sure is worth the effort though.... I've made them for all my tractors through the years. The 4wd models get front chains too...
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Do chains help in say a loosely plowed field, i wouldnt think it would help?
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Well.... I've thought on this some. In a loosely plowed field regular the lugs on Ag tires normally work well just as they are. Of course it depends on the dirt, but working in a loosely plowed field is exactly what the Ag tire was designed to do. Weighted and pressured right, they should almost gear themselves to the ground. The Yanmar owner's manual shows some pictures of how much slippage is just the right amount for max traction with their Ag tires and hints on how to get there.
Chains help a lot when driving in sloppy mud or snow. I'm thinking that the reason is that both of those substances have low shear strength. Low shear strength allows lugged tires can sink deeply, but when we put the power to them we find that lugged tires alone don't allow the mud or snow to develop the resistance that would allow the tractor to drive forward. What happens is the tire just spins as each lug causes a compression shearing failure in the section of ground that it is pushing against. And to add to the problem, the dirt-oriented Ag tires have lugs are spaced a little too closely together for best use in mud and snow. So when one lug fails by collapsing the little ridge of mud it is pushing against, the next lug doesn't have the space to allow the material to flow to the proper shear angle to resist failure.
The result is that as as each lug slips in the mud it sets up a condition that causes the next one to slip as well. My guess is that putting on tire chains works so well because it is the portion of the chains that wrap radially across the SIDES of the tire that end up doing most of the work. Another piece of evidence is that traction doesn't seem to suffer a much as I thought it should when a portion of chain crossing the tire falls down between the lugs. That confused me for a long time. For years I would assemble my sets of used chain carefully making an "X" pattern to prevent the chain from falling between the lugs - until I found that it didn't seem to make much difference.
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WHAT?
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Good catch! I didn't look at it before posting. Have another go and see if it makes more sense now.
rScotty - Going out in 18" of snow to start the 336D now...
Clemsfor, I hear what you are saying about the stumps. About 5 out of 10 of them, the pine ones, I was able to put the box blade against and while keeping forward pressure, lift the blade and pop them out. Got a few with the FEL but the real stump puller is a 3000 lb pull winch welded to the front bumper and a 5 part block and tackle. After it pulls the tractor forward and sinks the FEL a bit, the stump usually gives... but not always. They have to be rotten for me to just push them out, I have no illusions about trying to with the little yanmar, no matter how much weight I stack on it.
Thanks for all the comment guys, keep them coming.
Thanks for all the comment guys, keep them coming.
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Im thinking car chains. But even on ebay, im thinking there a bit pricy, unless you can find some old used sets. Im thinking car chains are in the 70-100 range for a pair.
Scotty may not have noticed but like you in my area there is a lack of car chains around, especilly old used sets. We just dont have um laying around like some colder climates do! Heck you cant even buy them, but maybe once a year at an auto store MAYBE!
