110V Electrical Question

[greasemonkeyok]

When you say 110v, is the receptacle two wire or three wire (with a ground)?

 

[Northern 1]

Is it possible the outlets are wired in series vs. parallel?

 

[tommu56]

Is it possible the outlets are wired in series vs. parallel?

I doubt it but I have seem most anything in in my 30 years as an electrician.
Series would mean 1/2 the voltage through each item not full line voltage.

tom

 

[Northern 1]

It could be possible. The circuit works fine until there are multiple loads.

 

[ruren]

Before you start into this, I'd flip the receptacle circuit breaker on and off a few times, pull it out and re-seat it, and if you feel brave, tighten the wire connection to it. If you really feel brave, tighten your grounds and neutrals in the panel. After the circuit breaker check, proceed with the voltage checks the guys are asking about. Also, you may have a wire connection on a receptacle that is not up to par.

Good suggestions. Since he says he's not familiar with electrical work I would point out you should flip the main breaker off before doing anything in the panel and remember everything before the main breaker is always hot, and dangerous.

It is also possible the circuit breaker is simply bad and trips too easy. Not very common but I had one that would trip on a very small load and replacing the breaker fixed the problem. For the relatively low cost you could try swapping in a new one.

 

[Travelover]

Is it possible the outlets are wired in series vs. parallel?

If they were wired in series, you'd need to plug something into every outlet to have a complete circuit.

My bet is a bad ground where the 110v is split off the 220v box that feeds the welder plug.

 

[blueriver]

volt meter and a clamp on amp meter

tom

I have volt meter ...

 

[blueriver]

Is this a sub panel off your house ?

No sir ... direct feed to the meter on the barn.

 

[blueriver]

When you say 110v, is the receptacle two wire or three wire (with a ground)?

Well I guess the best way to tell is pull one out and look at it ...

 

[blueriver]

GreaseMonkey ... you got a shop on Hwy 48???

 

[hr3]

Ever since I bought this place I have had a problem with the 110 receptacles in my shed. The lights work, the welder gives me no problem.

The wires are run in conduit with a receptacle every 10' ... 6 on each side of the barn. I have never been able to use a saw, grinder ... not enough power, I can plug in a light or use my chain saw sharpener. (Circuit is 20 amp breaker)

I am getting ready for baby chicks, plugged in a 250 watt heat lamp, when I plug in the second 250 lamp they both become very dim.

Easy fix? I know a little about electricity ... what do ya'll recommend?

Testing for low voltage,, Start with the main panel in the barn,, Take the cover off put your meter on 600v ac check between each hot wire going into your main breaker to the neutral wire you should have around 120v on each,, Then plug in your 2- 250 watt lamps and test again,, If the voltage stays the same then the problem is not outside the panel.. Lets assume all is OK there,, Unplug the 2 lights and check the voltage coming out of your 120 breakers,, " I assume you have more than one? " See if the voltage is still 120v between the breakers and your neutral .. then plug in your 2 lights and check the breakers again...

Start with that and let us know what you find,,

 

[podagrower]

How about this. If you plug your 2-250 watt heat lamps into the first receptacle, and they dim, your problem is in that outlet, the panel, or the service, not in one of the other outlets. That would cut troubleshooting down a bit.

A loose neutral in the panel would be my first guess, closely followed by an improper breaker connection (either loose wire, wrong brand of breaker for the panel, or bad connection between the breaker and bus.

HR3 is also on the right track to determine if the problem is on your side or the power company's side.

 

[podagrower]

One more easy troubleshoot, if you have more than 1 single pole breaker (I assume you do since you said the lights work fine), swap the hot wires from the "good" and "suspect" breakers (turn off the main first). This would tell you if it was the breaker or the neutral.

If you can't get it fixed, please call an electrician. It sounds relatively simple, and shouldn't take more than a few minutes to find and fix (though most electricians have a minimum charge).

 

[jinman]

A 250W bulb is slightly less than 2.5 amps. Two would be less than 5 amps total. Unless there is something else drawing the current at the same time, this is not much current for almost any circuit. I think I'd wire a receptacle into the breaker box and put an extension cord right there to see if two bulbs dimmed/loaded the circuit. If not, it's a poor connection somewhere between the breaker box and your receptacle where you are plugging in the lamps as mmurphy suggested.

Another problem might be a faulty breaker. By wiring the receptacle into the breaker box temporarily, you'll be able to eliminate this as the problem.

 

[blueriver]

Here are a couple shots of the panel with the cover off ... A couple things, there is no main breaker, which I assume is rather dangerous!!

The top 50 amp goes to my welder (Red & Black) the next is 30 amps for the shop lights (Black) The next space is empty, the next is a 20 amp double with the top of that for the receptacles (Black wire) the other half has no wire. The Bottom is my well (Black and White)

The meter is directly behind the panel on the ouside wall.

A couple things I tried today ... switched wire number 4 (receptacles) to the 30 amp breaker (#3) made no difference in the power to the receptacles the skill saw still started out under power and slowly gained to full speed. The two 250 watt heat lamps still reacted the same, one bright and when the second is plugged in they both go dim.

My shop lights are flouresent with recepatacles on the overhead beams, so I put that wire back in and plugged a saw into the light recep and still lack of power to the saw.

(BTW ... the loose wires laying in the bottom of the box are for an old 220 plug)

 

[blueriver]

A 250W bulb is slightly less than 2.5 amps. Two would be less than 5 amps total. Unless there is something else drawing the current at the same time, this is not much current for almost any circuit. I think I'd wire a receptacle into the breaker box and put an extension cord right there to see if two bulbs dimmed/loaded the circuit. If not, it's a poor connection somewhere between the breaker box and your receptacle where you are plugging in the lamps as mmurphy suggested.

Another problem might be a faulty breaker. By wiring the receptacle into the breaker box temporarily, you'll be able to eliminate this as the problem.

Thats what I am heading out to do now ... will advise.

 

[Willl]

there is no main breaker

Even outside below meter ?

So,,,,,what voltage readings did you get ?

 

[blueriver]

Thats what I am heading out to do now ... will advise.

Got side tracked and didn't get that done .... yet!!

 

[blueriver]

Even outside below meter ?

So,,,,,what voltage readings did you get ?

Thats correct ... not even outside. Couldn't fiqure that darn meter out, its a digital one and so many different setting's. Was also a little intimidated to be sticking those ends in places I wasn't sure I should be sticking them!!!

 

[hitekcountry]

What is that white wire doing going to the bottom breaker?