1200 vs. 1400 Series - Differences ???
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1 noticeable diffrence is a live pto. massey dealer here said they lost a lot of sales on 1200 series because they had trans. driven pto. I would not have bought my 1428 if it didn't have a live pto! probably would have been green or blue. I installd rear hyd. valves and the 1233 has same hyd. block on trans. housing, mounts and all. I'm sure they changed other small things, but for the most part they are close to the same except for small updates.
JerryG
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I had a MF 1250 and now have a new MF 1440. They are completely different tractors. They do have some things similar, but are a completely different tractor. Most thinks from my point of view have been improved. The 1433 and larger do have independent PTO. I think, I don't have my paper work in front of me right not, that the 1429 is the only one that doesn't. If you want to know specific, please ask, there are to many to list.
Tonester
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Hey Neophyte,
I've made my decision, your turn? I got my initial info here:
Massey specs
Then off to my dealer to ask the real questions! The smaller 1200's were to limited for my beast of a farm (173 acres), but looked as nice, build-wise. They offer independant PTO on some models as well as hydro trans. Trans are only 6/2 on most models, 14's have either 8/8 or 16/16. Less deck comfort than the 14's - some are straddle and some are semi-flat, 14's are big & flat. The 1240,50 & 60 look more like the 14's, with 16/16 & flat decks. They will take the 1466 loader too, so the specs get closer on those tractors, but I still picked the 14....but that's me! Try 'em out, eh? I didn't really get into pricing on the bigger 12's, maybe I should have, but they weren't alot cheaper at first look. The 1433V (value) model was closer in price than mine.
Hope this babble helps....
I've made my decision, your turn? I got my initial info here:
Massey specs
Then off to my dealer to ask the real questions! The smaller 1200's were to limited for my beast of a farm (173 acres), but looked as nice, build-wise. They offer independant PTO on some models as well as hydro trans. Trans are only 6/2 on most models, 14's have either 8/8 or 16/16. Less deck comfort than the 14's - some are straddle and some are semi-flat, 14's are big & flat. The 1240,50 & 60 look more like the 14's, with 16/16 & flat decks. They will take the 1466 loader too, so the specs get closer on those tractors, but I still picked the 14....but that's me! Try 'em out, eh? I didn't really get into pricing on the bigger 12's, maybe I should have, but they weren't alot cheaper at first look. The 1433V (value) model was closer in price than mine.
Hope this babble helps....
So is the 1400 the more deluxe model? I guess I'm thinking in terms of Kubota B7800 vs B2910, JD 790 vs 4210, or NH TC30 vs TC33. Most companies usually all have a no-frills standard model and then a creature-comfort deluxe model. Am I right in thinking that the 1200 series is the no-frills standard model and the 1400 series is the creature-comfort deluxe model?
Looking at their website, it seems like most of the 1400 series don't offer hydro but most of the 1200 series do offer hydro. According to their site, only the 1417 and 1423 offer hydro. It seems that all their 1200 series offer hydro except for the 1233 and 1240. If the 1400 series is the deluxe model, then why wouldn't they offer more hydro models in this series? Is the information on their site out of date? Their website specs leave a lot to be desired.
Does MF make a deluxe model with hydro in the 30-35HP range?
Looking at their website, it seems like most of the 1400 series don't offer hydro but most of the 1200 series do offer hydro. According to their site, only the 1417 and 1423 offer hydro. It seems that all their 1200 series offer hydro except for the 1233 and 1240. If the 1400 series is the deluxe model, then why wouldn't they offer more hydro models in this series? Is the information on their site out of date? Their website specs leave a lot to be desired.
Does MF make a deluxe model with hydro in the 30-35HP range?
JerryG
Super Member
I'll try to do one at a time.
1. The 1400 series is the replacement for the 1200 series.
2. The non-deluxe models have a "V" after the model number.
One of the smaller tractors, the 1428 is also a value model.
3. All models are available with hydro except the "V"'s and the 1428. (I think that I am right on this, I really need to dig my papers out.)(The web site and brochures bites, they don't tell everything)Yes they are out of date....
4. I don't think that you can order a new 1200 series any more. Unless you want a Caterpillar, their compacts are still the same as the MF 1200 series and will stay that way for a while anyway.
I think I got everything. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
1. The 1400 series is the replacement for the 1200 series.
2. The non-deluxe models have a "V" after the model number.
One of the smaller tractors, the 1428 is also a value model.
3. All models are available with hydro except the "V"'s and the 1428. (I think that I am right on this, I really need to dig my papers out.)(The web site and brochures bites, they don't tell everything)Yes they are out of date....
4. I don't think that you can order a new 1200 series any more. Unless you want a Caterpillar, their compacts are still the same as the MF 1200 series and will stay that way for a while anyway.
I think I got everything. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Tonester
Silver Member
JerryG stands for Jerry the Genius! I should know so much....My dealer did offer me a Hydro upgrade for the 1433 I am probably buying this week, I wondered about that when i didn't see hydro on the brochure. But they do have 'em on the AGCO ST35, which is virtually identical to the MF. Maybe the AGCO could be considered the deluxe Massey??!! They do have nicer fit & finish....Like I said above, the specs I got were basic (and old?) propaganda, even the dealer said that AGCO is working on it's market presence, that's why you never hear about 'em...ask the dealer lotsa questions...or ask JerryG!
Tonester
Silver Member
JerryG,
i didn't look close on the lot, but do you think those were older leftovers I saw? The 1400 would be similar the 1240-60. I thought the specs were close, might be a deal there??
Also, I was comparing the 1433S to the JD4310 & L3130, was I wrong? Pricewise the 1433S is a deal compared to those two, but not if compared to the 4210...at least in here in NH.
Comments (and yes, i haven't had to tractor shop for a while!)
i didn't look close on the lot, but do you think those were older leftovers I saw? The 1400 would be similar the 1240-60. I thought the specs were close, might be a deal there??
Also, I was comparing the 1433S to the JD4310 & L3130, was I wrong? Pricewise the 1433S is a deal compared to those two, but not if compared to the 4210...at least in here in NH.
Comments (and yes, i haven't had to tractor shop for a while!)
JerryG
Super Member
/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif<font color="blue">JerryG stands for Jerry the Genius!</font> /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
I don't know about that, but I have studied the Iseki import to the AGCO companies quite a bit.
As far as old stock, I think that they could very well be. I haven't ask if you could still order new 1200's or not, but a few months ago, when I ordered mine, my dealer talked like if I wanted a 1260 that he would have to get one from another dealer.
The AGCO value version has a "X" after the model number.
The spec. are close because 1200s and the 1400s use the same engines, but every thing else is different including the hydraulic flow.
I don't know about that, but I have studied the Iseki import to the AGCO companies quite a bit.
As far as old stock, I think that they could very well be. I haven't ask if you could still order new 1200's or not, but a few months ago, when I ordered mine, my dealer talked like if I wanted a 1260 that he would have to get one from another dealer.
The AGCO value version has a "X" after the model number.
The spec. are close because 1200s and the 1400s use the same engines, but every thing else is different including the hydraulic flow.
stvman
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Im still learning all the models but I'll give it a shot.(been working for Northwood Power a whole week)
1235 is the last of the 1200 series being sold 30horse hydro
1433H deluxe model comperable to a 4300 Deere 3430 Kub
1433S sincro shuttle comperable to a kub dt
1433PS power shuttle comperable to a Kub GST, Deere power shuttle
1433v basic non sincro standard trans
1440 is the 1433 with a turbo (adds 7hp for a grand, cheapest performance upgrade I have seen anywhere)
Other than color and the hood the Agco is the same thing
a model for model comp.
Massey -- Agco
1423H -- ST25H
1428V -- ST30X
1235H -- ST30
1433v -- ST35X
1433s
1433PS -- ST35
1433H -- ST35H
1440V -- ST40X
1440S
1440PS -- ST40
1440H -- ST40H
Paint the Agco Cat yellow you get a Challenger
1235 is the last of the 1200 series being sold 30horse hydro
1433H deluxe model comperable to a 4300 Deere 3430 Kub
1433S sincro shuttle comperable to a kub dt
1433PS power shuttle comperable to a Kub GST, Deere power shuttle
1433v basic non sincro standard trans
1440 is the 1433 with a turbo (adds 7hp for a grand, cheapest performance upgrade I have seen anywhere)
Other than color and the hood the Agco is the same thing
a model for model comp.
Massey -- Agco
1423H -- ST25H
1428V -- ST30X
1235H -- ST30
1433v -- ST35X
1433s
1433PS -- ST35
1433H -- ST35H
1440V -- ST40X
1440S
1440PS -- ST40
1440H -- ST40H
Paint the Agco Cat yellow you get a Challenger
JerryG
Super Member
Stvman,
Look at the Cat and then look at the MF's. The Cat is the MF 1200 series not the 1400 series.
Look at the Cat and then look at the MF's. The Cat is the MF 1200 series not the 1400 series.
Tonester
Silver Member
Thanks guys...
Hey Stvman, guess I'll be visiting your store this week for my NEW TRACTOR!! I haven't seen anything to change my mind, and if the comparison to a 3430/4300 is correct, I will save some dough and get a great dealer too. Pretty nice when you can ask everybody you know and not one bad comment about Northwood! I met wally at the fair thurs and so far everything he told me has checked out....so, maybe I'll get to meetcha!! I'll be the retired rock & roller lookin' farm grunt....wonder if i can get a deal on the 1440??!!!
Hey Neophyte...good luck, don't think you can go wrong....nice rigs
Hey Stvman, guess I'll be visiting your store this week for my NEW TRACTOR!! I haven't seen anything to change my mind, and if the comparison to a 3430/4300 is correct, I will save some dough and get a great dealer too. Pretty nice when you can ask everybody you know and not one bad comment about Northwood! I met wally at the fair thurs and so far everything he told me has checked out....so, maybe I'll get to meetcha!! I'll be the retired rock & roller lookin' farm grunt....wonder if i can get a deal on the 1440??!!!
Hey Neophyte...good luck, don't think you can go wrong....nice rigs
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<font color="red"> 1440 is the 1433 with a turbo (adds 7hp for a grand, cheapest performance upgrade I have seen anywhere)
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Plus you could put some cool "Turbo" stickers on it. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Maybe they should call it the MF 1440GT. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
I got to say, I realy like the 1433's If and when I ever get a new/newer tractor, that will be the first one I wil look at. Big enough to do what I need to do, but not so big that I can't get where I need to go. Plus I am a gear fan.
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Plus you could put some cool "Turbo" stickers on it. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Maybe they should call it the MF 1440GT. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
I got to say, I realy like the 1433's If and when I ever get a new/newer tractor, that will be the first one I wil look at. Big enough to do what I need to do, but not so big that I can't get where I need to go. Plus I am a gear fan.
I went to a local dealer today and looked at a 1433 and 1440 with shuttle shift. Unfortunately, they did not have any hydro units. They are beefy looking machines but, in my opinion, they are not quite as refined as the Big 3 tractors. I'm obviously referring to minor details and this is not to say I would not buy one.
I will need to go to Northwood Power so I can try the hydro versions of the 1433 and 1440. I would be willing to forgive the some of the minor details if the engine was quiet and the hydro was smooth.
Here are some questions as they relate to the 1433H and 1440H since I have not seen a hydro version, have not talked with a knowledgable dealer as of yet, and have not found up-to-date specs. Someone said to ask specifics, well here ya go. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
1. Does it have mechanical or electronic cruise control?
2. Does the hydro use mechanical linkage or is it electronic like the JD eHydro?
3. Is the mid-PTO independent of the rear-PTO or dependent on the rear-PTO? That is, can you run the mid-PTO without having the rear-PTO engaged?
4. Where is the lever/button for the mid-PTO engagement located?
5. Are you limited to two (2) optional factory remotes? I only saw two (2) slots.
6. What type of MMM units are available? Is there only a 72" Side Discharge MMM unit? Do they have a 84" MMM unit? Do they have a rear discharge MMM option or is it side-discharge only? Do they have a mulching kit for their side-discharge MMM?
7. Do they use the 3PH linkage for raising/lowering the MMM or do they use a remote with separate hydraulic cylinder?
8. What brand of diesel engine do they use?
9. Do they use direct or indirect injection?
10. How many gallons does the fuel tank hold?
11. Are the telescoping lower links on the 3PH an option or is it standard?
12. Is the crank handle on the right link adjustment an option or is it standard?
13. Do they have an optional arm rest kit for the seat? Do they have a deluxe seat option? The seat definitely left something to be desired.
14. Are the folding ROPS an option or standard?
15. What is the ground clearance?
16. Is the length of 121.5" including the 3PH?
17. What is the weight of the tractor with ROPS and tires (no loader)?
18. What is the wheelbase?
19. What is the turning radius with brakes?
20. Does the it use a treadle pedal or dual pedal for the hydro?
21. The one odd thing I noticed was a PTO engagement lever on the rear axle housing. What is the purpose of this handle and it's location?
AGCO/MF really needs to update their specifications to make it easier to compare them with their competition. I will try to get some of these from a dealer but feel free to answer any that you may know.
I will need to go to Northwood Power so I can try the hydro versions of the 1433 and 1440. I would be willing to forgive the some of the minor details if the engine was quiet and the hydro was smooth.
Here are some questions as they relate to the 1433H and 1440H since I have not seen a hydro version, have not talked with a knowledgable dealer as of yet, and have not found up-to-date specs. Someone said to ask specifics, well here ya go. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
1. Does it have mechanical or electronic cruise control?
2. Does the hydro use mechanical linkage or is it electronic like the JD eHydro?
3. Is the mid-PTO independent of the rear-PTO or dependent on the rear-PTO? That is, can you run the mid-PTO without having the rear-PTO engaged?
4. Where is the lever/button for the mid-PTO engagement located?
5. Are you limited to two (2) optional factory remotes? I only saw two (2) slots.
6. What type of MMM units are available? Is there only a 72" Side Discharge MMM unit? Do they have a 84" MMM unit? Do they have a rear discharge MMM option or is it side-discharge only? Do they have a mulching kit for their side-discharge MMM?
7. Do they use the 3PH linkage for raising/lowering the MMM or do they use a remote with separate hydraulic cylinder?
8. What brand of diesel engine do they use?
9. Do they use direct or indirect injection?
10. How many gallons does the fuel tank hold?
11. Are the telescoping lower links on the 3PH an option or is it standard?
12. Is the crank handle on the right link adjustment an option or is it standard?
13. Do they have an optional arm rest kit for the seat? Do they have a deluxe seat option? The seat definitely left something to be desired.
14. Are the folding ROPS an option or standard?
15. What is the ground clearance?
16. Is the length of 121.5" including the 3PH?
17. What is the weight of the tractor with ROPS and tires (no loader)?
18. What is the wheelbase?
19. What is the turning radius with brakes?
20. Does the it use a treadle pedal or dual pedal for the hydro?
21. The one odd thing I noticed was a PTO engagement lever on the rear axle housing. What is the purpose of this handle and it's location?
AGCO/MF really needs to update their specifications to make it easier to compare them with their competition. I will try to get some of these from a dealer but feel free to answer any that you may know.
JerryG
Super Member
I have tried to answer as many of your questions as possible. I was not able to answer all that you ask about the Hydros because I have had no interest or use for one and have never checked them out.
(3) Yes, you can run the mid PTO without the rear running.
(4) The mid PTO has a lever under you left leg to put it into gear. Then it can be turned on and off with an electric switch on the steering column.
(5) I think that you are. That is all that I wanted so that is all I checked on. You do have an option of having the two levers that you saw or a joystick. The joystick is what I have for my remotes. (I actually have two joy stick, one for the loader and one for remotes.)
(8) All of the MF are made by Iseki and their engines are also made by Iseki.
(9) They are all indirect as far as I know.
(10) 7.9 gallons
(11) I believe that they are standard now. The V’s and non-V’s that I have looked at all had telescoping links.
(12) All I have looked at has the crank and my manual only shows a crank.
(13) No arm rest. The non-V’s have a different seat than the 1200’s had. It is much thicker and much more supportive.
(14) They all fold.
(15) 1433 : turf/12.4”, R-4/16.6”, Ag/13.4”
1440 : turf/12.4”, R-4/16.6”, Ag/14.6”
(16) Yes, the total length with hitch is 121.5”
(17) 1433 Shuttle: Turf/2811 lbs., R-4/2993 lbs., Ag/2800 lbs.
1433 Power Shuttle: Turf/2822 lbs., R-4/2832 lbs., Ag/2811 lbs.
1440 Shuttle: Turf/2811 lbs., R-4/2993 lbs., Ag/2844 lbs.
1440 Power Shuttle: Turf/2822 lbs., R-4/2832 lbs., Ag/2855 lbs.
(18) The wheel base is 68.5”
(19) 1433: Turf/102.4, R-4/102.4”, Ag/98.4”
1440: Turf/102.4”, R-4/102.4”, Ag/98.4
(20) I have not look at a 1400 series Hydro, but I have look at a Cat 285 which is the same as a MF 1260. I don’t know if the peddles are the same or not, but the 285 has a forward, back peddle that is on the same mechanism but you have to move you foot front to back to work it.
(21) That lever is just to engage the PTO gears in the transmission, but it doesn’t turn on the PTO.
(3) Yes, you can run the mid PTO without the rear running.
(4) The mid PTO has a lever under you left leg to put it into gear. Then it can be turned on and off with an electric switch on the steering column.
(5) I think that you are. That is all that I wanted so that is all I checked on. You do have an option of having the two levers that you saw or a joystick. The joystick is what I have for my remotes. (I actually have two joy stick, one for the loader and one for remotes.)
(8) All of the MF are made by Iseki and their engines are also made by Iseki.
(9) They are all indirect as far as I know.
(10) 7.9 gallons
(11) I believe that they are standard now. The V’s and non-V’s that I have looked at all had telescoping links.
(12) All I have looked at has the crank and my manual only shows a crank.
(13) No arm rest. The non-V’s have a different seat than the 1200’s had. It is much thicker and much more supportive.
(14) They all fold.
(15) 1433 : turf/12.4”, R-4/16.6”, Ag/13.4”
1440 : turf/12.4”, R-4/16.6”, Ag/14.6”
(16) Yes, the total length with hitch is 121.5”
(17) 1433 Shuttle: Turf/2811 lbs., R-4/2993 lbs., Ag/2800 lbs.
1433 Power Shuttle: Turf/2822 lbs., R-4/2832 lbs., Ag/2811 lbs.
1440 Shuttle: Turf/2811 lbs., R-4/2993 lbs., Ag/2844 lbs.
1440 Power Shuttle: Turf/2822 lbs., R-4/2832 lbs., Ag/2855 lbs.
(18) The wheel base is 68.5”
(19) 1433: Turf/102.4, R-4/102.4”, Ag/98.4”
1440: Turf/102.4”, R-4/102.4”, Ag/98.4
(20) I have not look at a 1400 series Hydro, but I have look at a Cat 285 which is the same as a MF 1260. I don’t know if the peddles are the same or not, but the 285 has a forward, back peddle that is on the same mechanism but you have to move you foot front to back to work it.
(21) That lever is just to engage the PTO gears in the transmission, but it doesn’t turn on the PTO.
Jerry,
You are the MF man! (MF meaning Massey Ferguson ... you know that I mean.) /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( (4) The mid PTO has a lever under you left leg to put it into gear. Then it can be turned on and off with an electric switch on the steering column. )</font>
So is the lever to engage the rear PTO the one on the rear axle housing or is there also one in the cockpit? So you select the ones you want on and then you engage with the electronic button ... is this correct?
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( (5) I think that you are. That is all that I wanted so that is all I checked on. You do have an option of having the two levers that you saw or a joystick. The joystick is what I have for my remotes. (I actually have two joy stick, one for the loader and one for remotes.)
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This is interesting ... a joystick for the remotes? Where is it installed? Do you have any pictures of this?
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( (17) 1433 Shuttle: Turf/2811 lbs., R-4/2993 lbs., Ag/2800 lbs.
1433 Power Shuttle: Turf/2822 lbs., R-4/2832 lbs., Ag/2811 lbs.
1440 Shuttle: Turf/2811 lbs., R-4/2993 lbs., Ag/2844 lbs.
1440 Power Shuttle: Turf/2822 lbs., R-4/2832 lbs., Ag/2855 lbs. )</font>
Interesting ... I thought they would weigh the same as the L3430 or TC35D. They look around the same size and the MF looks just as beefy but it's 300 lbs lighter. It seems to be more in line with the JD4310 in terms of weight.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( (21) That lever is just to engage the PTO gears in the transmission, but it doesn’t turn on the PTO. )</font>
Do they put it down there so you can disengage it in order to turn the spline easier to line it up with the shaft?
Now all we need are answers to questions 1, 2, 6 and 7. You put quite a dent in that list Jerry!
Does anyone out there have a MMM on a 1433 or 1440?
Thank you Jerry!
You are the MF man! (MF meaning Massey Ferguson ... you know that I mean.) /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( (4) The mid PTO has a lever under you left leg to put it into gear. Then it can be turned on and off with an electric switch on the steering column. )</font>
So is the lever to engage the rear PTO the one on the rear axle housing or is there also one in the cockpit? So you select the ones you want on and then you engage with the electronic button ... is this correct?
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( (5) I think that you are. That is all that I wanted so that is all I checked on. You do have an option of having the two levers that you saw or a joystick. The joystick is what I have for my remotes. (I actually have two joy stick, one for the loader and one for remotes.)
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This is interesting ... a joystick for the remotes? Where is it installed? Do you have any pictures of this?
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( (17) 1433 Shuttle: Turf/2811 lbs., R-4/2993 lbs., Ag/2800 lbs.
1433 Power Shuttle: Turf/2822 lbs., R-4/2832 lbs., Ag/2811 lbs.
1440 Shuttle: Turf/2811 lbs., R-4/2993 lbs., Ag/2844 lbs.
1440 Power Shuttle: Turf/2822 lbs., R-4/2832 lbs., Ag/2855 lbs. )</font>
Interesting ... I thought they would weigh the same as the L3430 or TC35D. They look around the same size and the MF looks just as beefy but it's 300 lbs lighter. It seems to be more in line with the JD4310 in terms of weight.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( (21) That lever is just to engage the PTO gears in the transmission, but it doesn’t turn on the PTO. )</font>
Do they put it down there so you can disengage it in order to turn the spline easier to line it up with the shaft?
Now all we need are answers to questions 1, 2, 6 and 7. You put quite a dent in that list Jerry!
Does anyone out there have a MMM on a 1433 or 1440?
Thank you Jerry!
JerryG
Super Member
<font color="blue">So you select the ones you want on and then you engage with the electronic button ... is this correct? </font>
Yes
<font color="blue">This is interesting ... a joystick for the remotes? Where is it installed? Do you have any pictures of this?</font>
It is installed next to your right leg. I don’t have pictures, but I will get some.
<font color="blue">Do they put it down there so you can disengage it in order to turn the spline easier to line it up with the shaft?</font>
That was my thought and that is how I use it.
Yes
<font color="blue">This is interesting ... a joystick for the remotes? Where is it installed? Do you have any pictures of this?</font>
It is installed next to your right leg. I don’t have pictures, but I will get some.
<font color="blue">Do they put it down there so you can disengage it in order to turn the spline easier to line it up with the shaft?</font>
That was my thought and that is how I use it.
