125 C.F. argon co2 mix

[RobertBrown]

How much should it cost to get my tank refilled or an exchange for it? I own the tank.
I haven't bought gas in a while and just got a price from airgas that was twice what I paid last time.
I just need a benchmark

Thanks

 

[radios1]

$76.66 here. Airgas.

 

[yomax4]

It's all over th map. EVERY welding supply can or could sell you that gas for $20 and still make plenty to keep the transaction off the Gross Margin Report. It's such a rip off for the average joe. I know dozens and dozens of small fab guys who use 1-2 of the 300 Cf tanks of 75/25 or 90/10 per month and they are paying $19- $23 a tank for 300 cf.. I encourage anyone who reads this to go to different distribs if possible and find a guy you can relate to and befriend him or her. He or she will be the one who has your back on these rediculous gas prices. I know that ( as an example ) Hormel pays $6 for the big oxygen. What is it? 230cf or something. K size.. Oxygen and or 75/25 even in the big tanks, has about .80 worth of gas in them. $76.66 for an M or 125cf is the biggest farce I have heard of in months. All this price tells me is Airgas is not little guy friendly. Actually, I can't stand Airgas. Sorry. This angers me something awful. I used to have to pay for my gas and I'm not sure I would even bother welding at $76 a tank. I'd go to CO2 and put up with a little spatter. If you are running an inverter you owe it to yourself to try CO2 anyway. It's like 1/4 the price and lasts 4 times longer. **** that $76 number makes me mad. Sorry.

 

[RobertBrown]

I wish I was quoted 76.66$
I remember having problems with pricing the last time I filled this tank.

Thanks yomax4
Unfortunately....Airgas has this area locked up. There are no other options that I can find.

 

[radios1]

there are many more welding supplies in Florida, it's not just Airgas there!.. welding supply florida - Google Search

 

[Ritothebull]

I have been dealing with Crumptons in Tampa for about 30 years and their prices are fair but if I'm on the road and need to go to another supplier for gas the prices are much higher and sometimes double what I normally pay. Some of these big chain outfits will probably never give you a break unless you have a large account with them , they don't really care about the little guy too much.

 

[sandfs]

I wish I was quoted 76.66$
I remember having problems with pricing the last time I filled this tank.

Thanks yomax4
Unfortunately....Airgas has this area locked up. There are no other options that I can find.

Here in the Redding CA area no matter what shop you get swap your bottles at,,,, the gas still comes from Airgas. They are the one and only supplier. So you get a scenario where one LWS may stick it in all the way and get as much as they can possibly get or another may minimize the profit margin and charge as little as they can and still survive but the base prices are still dictated by the gas supplier. I imagine many other locals are similar.

 

[radios1]

Here in the Redding CA area no matter what shop you get swap your bottles at,,,, the gas still comes from Airgas. They are the one and only supplier. So you get a scenario where one LWS may stick it in all the way and get as much as they can possibly get or another may minimize the profit margin and charge as little as they can and still survive but the base prices are still dictated by the gas supplier. I imagine many other locals are similar.

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[3Ts]

Some of these big chain outfits will probably never give you a break unless you have a large account with them , they don't really care about the little guy too much.

I agree with this, however, in their defense since I've been on both sides (not in welding), some of the little guys are more trouble and cost more than the sale is worth.

 

[kenmac]

Don't know if it's true,or not. I was told by the place that fills my tanks that if Air gas fills it, they will stamp their name into the tank, and no one else will fill it in my area

 

[Tractor Seabee]

Don't know if it's true,or not. I was told by the place that fills my tanks that if Air gas fills it, they will stamp their name into the tank, and no one else will fill it in my area

That sounds like an illegal trade practice; do you have other options?.

A had an exchange O2 tank a year ago that had 3 suppliers name stamped on it. My supplier only looks for certain types of stamps. When I took it back, exchange again no questions. They assume all tanks smaller than size 4 to be private owned. Probably now an industry standard. You but a new tank and it goes in the exchange group and you get an exchange one. They are a large regional independent chain. The smaller the container the higher the price due to handling costs. Acetylene costs per CF on a MC tank versus a 60 CF tank are way apart. I don't MIG or TIG so not into pricing those mixtures. Large industrial user get the big DOER tanks that hold the gas as a liquid. Brings the price down. Those are all leased. They make their money on demurrage not the gas probably. One past contractor I worked for many years ago used to lease the small tanks we carried in a service truck. Figured out the demurrage and day and went out and bought tanks for each truck.

Ron

 

[kenmac]

That sounds like an illegal trade practice; do you have other options?.

A had an exchange O2 tank a year ago that had 3 suppliers name stamped on it. My supplier only looks for certain types of stamps. When I took it back, exchange again no questions. They assume all tanks smaller than size 4 to be private owned. Probably now an industry standard. You but a new tank and it goes in the exchange group and you get an exchange one. They are a large regional independent chain. The smaller the container the higher the price due to handling costs. Acetylene costs per CF on a MC tank versus a 60 CF tank are way apart. I don't MIG or TIG so not into pricing those mixtures. Large industrial user get the big DOER tanks that hold the gas as a liquid. Brings the price down. Those are all leased. They make their money on demurrage not the gas probably. One past contractor I worked for many years ago used to lease the small tanks we carried in a service truck. Figured out the demurrage and day and went out and bought tanks for each truck.

Ron

The place that fill my tanks said Air Gas actually won a lawsuit about someone filling their tanks.
He said something about Air Gas stating in the contracts,they don't sell their tanks. they lease them to their customers

I was charged $96.00 to fill my 130cf tank with 100% argon, a new valve, test, fill a small nitrogen tank, and I purchased a torch tip

 

[Tractor Seabee]

The place that fill my tanks said Air Gas actually won a lawsuit about someone filling their tanks.
He said something about Air Gas stating in the contracts,they don't sell their tanks. they lease them to their customers

I was charged $96.00 to fill my 130cf tank with 100% argon, a new valve, test, fill a small nitrogen tank, and I purchased a torch tip

Is yours a leased tank? Did they stamp one of your private purchase tanks? Years back I shopped at an Air Gas outlet and they exchanged my smaller (60 CF) private tanks. Maybe Air Gas does own all their 125 CF and larger though. Seems like I have gotten Air Gas 60 CF tanks on private exchange before. Was your test cost for the periodic hydro test? I had an O2 tank I bought at auction that cost me the $20 test fee.

 

[yomax4]

Not sure about stamping various company names on the tank. If Airgas owns the tank it will have an Aigas Neck Ring on it. If the neck ring has no name on it, The tank is yours. just make up a receipt that says you own it. Also, I've seen tanks that were 50 years old before valve replacement if there is no damage to the threads. The gland parts in the valve can be replaced for next to nothing. There's not much in there. If they are charging for valves they should be ashamed. What a racket. I remember back in the mid 90's another large gas company started the Haz Mat charge. I think it ws $2.00 per invoice that had a cyllinder on it. We were told to explain it as a charge that covers employee and customer training and tank maintenence ie: Hydrotest, Paint and Valve if needed. ( I think it's $3 now ) Anyway the very 1st year the company made 11 million dollars off that bogus charge. It was so successful that they implemented a delivery charge of $10. ( they had to change their motto of no delivery charge ever ) So with the Haz-Mat and delivery charge it took away their cost to do business and soon, Almost all of the other companies followed suit. That being said, Now they feel the need to gouge the walk in customers with Rediculous gas prices.

 

[kenmac]

my tank is not a leased tank. I bought mine from an independent guy yrs ago. This independent guy sold out to a larger nationwide outfit (not Air Gas)

the place I now use told me Air Gas stamped their name into the tank (not a ring) because other companies were taking the ring off and adding their ring.

As stated. This is coming from a company that fills tanks, so I don't know. I have never dealt with Air Gas

They said my valve wouldn't shut off all the way, so they had to replace it

I went to the shop and got the bill for exact cost.

1- 20cf nit. - $7.00

1- 130cf - argon- $20.00

1-argon valve - $25.00

1- torch tip - $12.00

Hydro test- $18.00

Hazmat- $1.50

tax - $8.35
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$91.85

Next time I should only be out

argon, hazmat, and tax

 

[nyone]

I believe the 4ft tall tanks are the only ones you can own around here. I think there 80cf tanks. Everything else is a rental.

 

[WranglerX]

Airgas is most expensive in my area, best pricing and service for me is Praxair...

When I went to buy my 125cuft C25 tank, Airgas wanted $299 for tank and first fill, went about 6 blocks down the street to Praxair, and tank and fill $199....... No brainer...

Dale

 

[WranglerX]

I believe the 4ft tall tanks are the only ones you can own around here. I think there 80cf tanks. Everything else is a rental.

Depends on area.... I "bought" a 125 from Praxair and when we went out to gas dock to get tank, they were out of 125's, person on dock said here, take this 175... Been exchanging the 175 ever since...

Dale

 

[radios1]

I believe the 4ft tall tanks are the only ones you can own around here. I think there 80cf tanks. Everything else is a rental.

that better not be true for Acetylene because they'd wind up with explosions from people trying to weld 1/2" steel or using a large heating or cutting tip!. that would be stupid for a welding supply to try restricting like that. it's a safety concern!. they could do that safely with other gases, but what's the sense?.. I really need my WTL 390 cu.ft. acetylene tank for safety when using large tips!.. if you draw too many cu. ft. you wind up drawing up the acetone, ruining your regulators and hoses, and running the risk of explosion!.. not good at all!..

 

[radios1]

Don't know if it's true,or not. I was told by the place that fills my tanks that if Air gas fills it, they will stamp their name into the tank, and no one else will fill it in my area

THAT would be THEFT by conversion!. ILLEGAL..