1401d vs 186D 3 point lift comparison

Pete Judd · Jan 14, 2011

My original sales add lists the 186d at 661 lbs at lower link hitch point, and 529 lbs at 24 inches behind lower link hitch point.

284 International · Jan 14, 2011

Pete, thank you for that information. Those numbers are a bit lower (22 lbs, or 10kg) than other information I've seen, but since it is a sales brochure I'm inclined to believe that Yanmar is able to demonstrate that number at will. It seems that tractors at least in the past have been underrated by the factory, rather than having output or performance number inflated.

California · Jan 14, 2011

284 International said:
California, did you figure the CG previously when you were suspending the disk from your loader

Yep. I learned the first time I lifted it Photo 1 Photo 2 that the CG is where the braces sloping down from the mast meet the frame. Leinbach's photo. When I went out to look at the disc today I took a tape and measured from the pins back to that point.

284 International · Jan 14, 2011

California, I really appreciate you taking the time to measure that for me. Thank you.

Ronu · Feb 14, 2011

According to the Yanmar Service manual for the YM186/186D, the max lift capacity @ 24" behind points is 926 lbs.

winston1 · Feb 14, 2011

Ronu said:
According to the Yanmar Service manual for the YM186/186D, the max lift capacity @ 24" behind points is 926 lbs.

Something is rotton in Denmark. The manual for the 220/226 states 816# at 24" and 1168# at link end. One of our manuals must have been shang highed.

284 International · Feb 14, 2011

Ronu, thank you for that information. I'm not sure what to make of things. The published data don't seem to be in agreement at all. My 186D came with an operations (owner's) manual from Yanmar. It agrees with your service manual: 926lbs at 24 inches "behind the points."

The Yanmar sales brochure I referenced in the thread where I reviewed my tractor (http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/yanmar/194139-new-addition-extended-family-trouble.html) says the lifting capacity is 661 lbs at the "lower link hitch ball." Tractordata.com says 551lbs 24 inches behind the links.

I'd like to figure it out, it's odd that things are so disparate. (The tractordata information and sales brochure ad agree most, but I'd tend to trust them least.) I wish I had a heavy implement that would connect to the 186's 3 point and then weigh the implement on some scales. I'm just surprised that there is so much difference. 926lbs 24 inches back of the hitch pins is MUCH more weight than 661lbs at the hitch pins.

At any rate, thank you for the information. At least Yanmar's publications with the tractor agree, even if they disagree with their advertisements. Thanks again.

Pete Judd · Feb 15, 2011

As per the original sales flyer, it say's "At lower link hitch point 300kg(661lbs.), At 610mm (24 in.) behind lower hitch point 240kg(529lbs.)."

Per the original operation manual, It reads "Lift capacity (@24in. behind points) 926 lbs. (420 kg)"

The original service manual also show the same as the operation manual 926 lbs.

284 International · Feb 15, 2011

Pete, what you said is exactly what I found too. I'm just surprised at the difference. The numbers in the sales flyer "feel" more correct, but I would imagine that the service manual should be proof-read more careful than ad copy. I just don't know. My little 186D definitely bangs the implements up and down though. It is MUCH faster than the YM240 or 2000. Maybe it really is something like 900lbs at the hitch points.

California · Feb 15, 2011

Pete Judd said:
per the original sales flyer it says "At lower link hitch point 300kg(661lbs.), At 610mm (24 in.) behind lower hitch point 240kg(529lbs.)."

These are the figures that I believe. Forget 900-something lbs. Somebody wrote the manuals wrong.

Here are a couple of photos of the 4 ft disc on the smaller and larger Yanmars. And the 6 ft disc. The YM186D has nearly the lifting strength of the YM240 but the little tractor is so light, and short, that even with 240 lbs of suitcase weights on its front bumper the nose lifts and you lose steering as you reach maximum lift capacity.

However - its lift capacity is greater than working capacity. YM186D doesn't have the drawbar hp (traction) to do useful work with the little disc heavily ballasted, or the larger disc naked of ballast.

The first photo shows me finishing up around trees and borders where my neighbor's large tractor won't fit.

The HF Quick Hitch (65 lbs) plus a 30 lb chunk of steel on the front of the disc and two 40 lb blocks chained on was the maximum I could steer, and pull, with the disc offset a little to get the tractor tire away from the trees. Total weight 350 + 65 + 30 + 40 +40 +10 (chains) = 535 lbs.