2-4D

[Eric_Phillips]

I am wanting to over seed some pastures that I planted this spring, big mistake. So I want to get rid of the weeds and over seed. Can I just spray with some 2-4D wait for the weeds to die then over seed and run a fence panel over it to shake the seed to the ground?

 

[Western]

That stuff works good on broadleaf weeds, you could use a "no-till" grain drill to seed it.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

I am wanting to over seed some pastures that I planted this spring, big mistake. So I want to get rid of the weeds and over seed. Can I just spray with some 2-4D wait for the weeds to die then over seed and run a fence panel over it to shake the seed to the ground?

Eric, are there any vineyards in your area? I am not sure exactly where you are located but if you have any vineyards within 2 miles (on a very calm day) of you then don't use 2-4D. 2-4D is very harmful to grape vines and using it near them will make you liable for damages.

 

[Eric_Phillips]

The closest vinyard is about a 45min drive. The farmer we bought the land from looks like he has wheat in the field behind us. If I could find where to rent a grain drill of any kind I would try that. Until then I am left with a broadcast spreader.

 

[john_bud]

Eric, are there any vineyards in your area? I am not sure exactly where you are located but if you have any vineyards within 2 miles (on a very calm day) of you then don't use 2-4D. 2-4D is very harmful to grape vines and using it near them will make you liable for damages.

Are some varieties more prone to damage than others? I have been using 2,4-d for a while - years really. It's the prime ingredient in weed-b-gone and most other lawn sprays. I have sprayed right up to my grapes - concord and niagra - with no damage noted.
jb

 

[Robert_in_NY]

I do not know about your situation but 2-4D will damage concords and most grape vines. It is illegal to use it within 2 miles of any vineyard in this county.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

I was looking up the label for 2-4D and found out they actually give directions for spraying in grapes

Of course they want you to use a hooded boom sprayer and apply only to the weeds after bloom but before the grape shoots reach the ground. The label does say to not apply 2-4d to foliage, shoots or stems. Why they would even start to recommend using it in vineyards is beyond me. One of the plants 2-4D controls is vines.

But never use a 2-4D ester in or near a vineyard. The fumes alone will damage the vineyard.

There is even a website dedicated to just 2-4D www.24d.org

 

[LoneCowboy]

Can I just spray with some 2-4D wait for the weeds to die then over seed and run a fence panel over it to shake the seed to the ground?

Yes
I think it's 14 or 21 days that you need to wait after spraying 2-4D before planting again. it's in the instructions.

A chain harrow works better (kinda covers it up) but a fence panel will work too.

 

[bindian]

I was looking up the label for 2-4D and found out they actually give directions for spraying in grapes

Of course they want you to use a hooded boom sprayer and apply only to the weeds after bloom but before the grape shoots reach the ground. The label does say to not apply 2-4d to foliage, shoots or stems. Why they would even start to recommend using it in vineyards is beyond me. One of the plants 2-4D controls is vines.

But never use a 2-4D ester in or near a vineyard. The fumes alone will damage the vineyard.

There is even a website dedicated to just 2-4D www.24d.org

2-4D will also take out a tree if you get it on the leaves. It doesn't bother the bark, as long as there are no cuts in the bark. I just use it on fence rows.
hugs, Brandi

 

[Robert_in_NY]

I know, it isn't good for too many broadleafs which is why it isn't legal to use near vineyards here. It doesn't take much at all to damage the vine.

 

[john_bud]

I do not know about your situation but 2-4D will damage concords and most grape vines. It is illegal to use it within 2 miles of any vineyard in this county.

Well, I'm glad I don't live in your county or I would probably be behind bars for unwittingly having used 2,4-d!

Learn something new every day.

jb

 

[Robert_in_NY]

They won't arrest you unless you intentionally do something to destroy a neighbors vineyard. However, you would be forced to pay for all damages to the vineyard and that will include buying the crop which will range from $1k-$6k per acre.

The kicker is, the farm dealers who sell 2-4D tell people about the restrictions. Yet, TSC sells the stuff with no warnings at all. Ultimately, I would think TSC would be partly responsible for any damages in this area.

 

[firemanpat2910]

tomato farmers around here get mad as heck when they here about people using 2-4-d, You are liable for any damage, to the crops.

 

[oliver28472]

Eric,
From what I have read on my label if you are planning to reseed in the fall you should not spray 2,4-D in the fall, either just before or after. It would have been OK to spray back in the spring. You are running the risk of hurting the germination of your grass seed even though it is not a broad leaf plant. I would recommend Roundup. That's how I did my lawn last fall and got good results until this severe drought turned it all brown and crunchy. Probably spent $500 on seed alone. Don't know if it will come back.

 

[Eric_Phillips]

Eric,
From what I have read on my label if you are planning to reseed in the fall you should not spray 2,4-D in the fall, either just before or after. It would have been OK to spray back in the spring. You are running the risk of hurting the germination of your grass seed even though it is not a broad leaf plant. I would recommend Roundup. That's how I did my lawn last fall and got good results until this severe drought turned it all brown and crunchy. Probably spent $500 on seed alone. Don't know if it will come back.

I don't want to kill the grass that I already have growing. I just want to overseed and help fill in the areas that have a lot of weeds. I just want to kill back the weeds to give the new seed a chance.

 

[ToadHill]

2-4D is a fine weed killer but several other weed killers are also available if you are in grape country. In New York it is unlawful to use 2-4D more than twice during the growing season, but many lawn companies spray three times each season. I believe they use a product in mid summer that is alcohol based, if my memory serves me it may be called Triamine.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

2-4D is a fine weed killer but several other weed killers are also available if you are in grape country. In New York it is unlawful to use 2-4D more than twice during the growing season, but many lawn companies spray three times each season. I believe they use a product in mid summer that is alcohol based, if my memory serves me it may be called Triamine.

Most guys use a combination of roundup, Aim, and Simazine for weed control in the vineyards. Aim burns the suckers leaves off without hurting the grape vines and does so before the roundup has a chance to hurt the vines also. This saves a lot of time and labor as the suckers are taken care of chemically rather then by hand and at the same time any weeds are taken care of also.