2007 Tundra vs F250 5.4

[unreconstructed]

Gordon R just said it best--they are what the are.

I got the 08 F350 v10 2WD in XL for 24000 before trade in and sales tax. The diesels may pass me going up hill but we will probably get to the stop light at the same time.

 

[jcmseven]

Matt,

I have never second guessed my choice of trucks, I have stated many times that I really like my F250. Perhaps, like many of us, my needs have changed and I contemplate whether it is always the best fit. I strongly believe the question asked both in my post earlier and in Kahuna's post here is valid, and getting more valid with each model year. There simply is a rapidly shrinking advantage to owning diesel in these type trucks. While it is true that frame, suspension and brakes make up a largely-neglicted part of the towing and operation package, most of us whether we admit it or not focus on the powertrain. The fact is the Toyota makes a lot of power, has a reasonably stout and well-engineered frame, good brakes, a solid six speed transmission, and strong components. It also gets similar unloaded (and I would suspect reasonably similar towing) mileage to most of the diesel offerings out there. True, for one who hauls cross country or pulls heavy cattle trailers, etc., the Toyota is not the right choice. But for many of us, myself included, the hopped up half ton's offer a lot of performance. They also do so at seemingly a markedly reduced cost. Some argue about life span. My dad's 200K 150 I am currently driving to work runs great, burns no oil, and has really good power for its age. The doors rattle and the suspension sweaks a little, but the powertrain seems fine. How many of us will put that much mileage on a truck? Is diesel an advantage there?? I for one like my diesel truck. I am not a newcomer to diesels. I do think though many of us may have to really weigh these decisions in the future as the diesel advantage is disappearing, fast. I would love to have one of each (as many of us would) but that of course is not financially feasible. I think Kahuna made a nice choice, and I wonder if many of us will follow suit in the future due to necessity.

John M

 

[jcmseven]

Matt,

One more thing with regard to the "second guessing" statement. It's what we all do!!! Did I buy the right tractor? Did I buy the right truck?? Do I need a bigger/smaller trailer?? Do I need a gas or diesel??? If I move or change jobs, can I do this or that??? How do you cook a deer ham??? Did I do it correctly??? How do I plant a Bradford pear tree??? Did I do it right??? Do I need to move it???? How do I get rid of this?? Do you like ponies?? Did I underbuy; did I overbuy??? Do I need to buy??? This, to me, is what TBN is. It is, to me, a forum by which folks like you and me and others can post questions or concerns about different topics or concerns. Sometimes we beat topics to death, but yet we come back and do it again the next day. Almost every post we have in the forum, that I have seen, is an inquisition of one type or another, either anticipatory or retrospective. My interest happens to be in the advantages of different machines for different tasks. I like to try different things and see which does best at what task, but I, like all of us, do not always choose correctly. If reassurance is part of it, and to me it is important for all who post to have that issue resolved in their mind. When we as a forum lose the comfort of posting for concern of repraisal or minimization, TBN will lose its mandate.

John M

 

[JiminGa]

alright, here's my $.02: I have an 04 F250 4X4 King Ranch with 157 K miles and climbing. I use this truck to run up and down the interstates mostly, no load. I do pull a small trailer, about 2500 lbs loaded on occasion.
empty at 70 mph I get about 15 mpg...driving like my daddy taught me.
empty at 60 mph I get about 17.5 mpg...did this following a bus to Tn.
loaded with trailer running 70 I get about 11.5 mpg.
never pulled more than about 5k lbs, got about 11 mpg then too.

these are my real world numbers, I don't floor it out the gate and I don't drive 80 and expect 20mpg...IMO 15 mpg at 70 in a 7500 lb truck ain't bad, and it has plenty of power. I guarantee it'll pull anything a Toy will and do it better

 

[JiminGa]

oh, I have the V10

 

[gemini5362]

some great news for toyota;

GM moves back ahead of Toyota - GMInsideNews Forums

Toyota also has to protect against damage to its reputation in the U.S. market. Earlier this month, the influential Consumer Reports survey dropped the Toyota brand from first to fifth place, placing it behind Honda Motor's (Charts) Honda and Acura brands, as well as Toyota Motor's Scion brand and Subaru - in average vehicle reliability

i know how much you guys like consumer reports, lol

good news mahundra is going to have cars here in 08 to.

Intersting paragraph in that hyperlink you posted :

Toyota spokesman Paul Nolasco had no comment on the comparison to GM sales. GM spokesman John McDonald also said the company wasn't particularly concerned with whether it was in first or second place in the sales count.
Toyota skids in reliability ratings

"We're not focused on being No. 1 and who's No. 2," said McDonald. "We like being No. 1. We've been No. 1 for 76 years on an annual basis. But while it's a real interesting story to the media, I don't know a single customer who uses that criteria when making the decision on where to buy a vehicle."


That is sure a lot different than the news clips that the american public is being fed about how much money GM is losing and how poor sales are.

 

[johns_dmax]

This pretty much says it all.

 

[gemini5362]

This pretty much says it all.

LOL
Too funny

 

[jcmseven]

Now I like that....I wish it had been a Ford, but the Chevy is fine with me too.

John M

 

[wushaw]

I just towed my 2000 Jeep TJ with the GF's 07 Tundra last night and it did a fine job of braking and acceleration, I would say better than my old 98 GMC 1500 5.7 standard and her F150 4.6 auto.

It should since it has more hp and bigger brakes than either

The list of vehicles that I have towed my Jeep with:

98 GMC 1500 5.7 manual
2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.7
02 GMC DMAX/ZF6
03 GMC DMAX/allison
03 GMC Denali 6.0 auto
2000 FL-60 8.3 Cummins straight 10spd
05 Pete 385 C13 12spd Meritor Freedomline
06 F150 4.6 auto
07 Tundra 5.7 auto

The Pete did/does the best job and the Grand Cherokee did the worst.