2012 NH Boomer 30 HST or Kioti CK30 HST? Value?

[BoonDoc]

Not sure of the names of each part of the 3 point hitch. This is from New Holland. Are "stabilizers" the telescoping arms that we've been talking about?
When hooking up implements is easy and convenient, tasks become easier, too. Handy features include:
Flexible link ends
Crank-type leveling mechanism
Telescoping stabilizers
Swinging/extendible drawbar
Category I implement ball ends

 

[94BULLITT]

James, I've been looking at CK30, NH Boomer30, both with 30 gross HP. A bit confusing as the NH site says, 30HP gross, 28HP net. Kioti gives only 30 gross, no net. Compact tractor review gives 28.5 net HP for the NH, more than NH itself claims! Mahindra at 28HP doesn't state if it's gross or net. I guess PTO HP is the most important here.

I need to turn the key and try the Mahindra, NH and Kioti. The Kubota's a really nice tractor, but there's only one dealer nearby. That's important to me. I spoke with him and he said if I finance, his quote would be higher. His quotes on the other makes I already saw are a grand higher than the other dealer and he's not nearly as flexible. That prices me out. Next step, mount up and ride..


Nice tractor photos, Roger

Thanks about the pictures. Gross hp is the hp with no accessories like water pump, alternator, ac, and maybe no muffler, air cleaner etc. At least thats how cars are. Net is with all acessories, air cleaner and exhaust. Net is a real world number. Here is a link that explains it some. Sometimes tractors are over rated some times they are under rated. Another tractor you may want to consider is a Kubota B3200, if you look at that you may want to look at a JD 2720. Kioti does not have a tractor that large in that class and I'm not sure what New Holland has to offer.

Not sure of the names of each part of the 3 point hitch. This is from New Holland. Are "stabilizers" the telescoping arms that we've been talking about?
When hooking up implements is easy and convenient, tasks become easier, too. Handy features include:
Flexible link ends
Crank-type leveling mechanism
Telescoping stabilizers
Swinging/extendible drawbar
Category I implement ball ends

Here is a chart that explains the 3ph.
Here is what they call it on the chart.
Crank-type leveling mechanism - Lift arm leveling assemby, used for side to side adjustment, helpful when used for cutting a ditch.
Telescoping stabilizers- they go in place of the check chains, most new tractors have turnbuckles or the Telescoping stabilizers instead of chains
Swinging/extendible drawbar- swinging drawbar, you can use it to pull stuff like a tree or a stuck car. Some implement are pulled off of the drawbar and may need a swinging drawbar then (I doubt you will need a swinging drawbar).
Cat 1 ball end- You will have a cat 1 3ph The ball end are at the end of the lift arms

 

[k0ua]

Not sure of the names of each part of the 3 point hitch. This is from New Holland. Are "stabilizers" the telescoping arms that we've been talking about?
When hooking up implements is easy and convenient, tasks become easier, too. Handy features include:
Flexible link ends
Crank-type leveling mechanism
Telescoping stabilizers
Swinging/extendible drawbar
Category I implement ball ends

This rig has every thing you need..
Flexible link ends.=Telescoping lower link end= GOOD
Telescoping stabilizers instead of turnbuckles= GOOD
Crank leveling of the Right Hand lift link.. =GOOD
Drawbar=GOOD.. the fact there is one, it is an option on some tractors.. and you need it.
now whether you want to go "swinging" is up to you (it means it can swing side to side when pulling a hay wagon.. or some such.. who cares on a CUT)
CAT 1.. yes Catagory 1 balls is what this size of tractor will have.. kinda like saying a car comes with a steering wheel

So the NH (by the way it is manufactured by LS a Korean company) seems to be well equipped. LS also sells tractors in North
America under its own brand name.. NH CUTS used to be made by Shibaura but there was some kind of falling out..

James K0UA

 

[chim]

Some of the smallest tractors have come with CAT 0 ball ends. There are exceptions. My 16 or 17 HP Ford 1210 came with CAT 1.

Category Tractor HP Top Link Pin Diameter Lift Arm Pin Diameter
0 ---------Up to 20 ---------5/8 in -----------5/8 in
1 ---------20 to 45 ---------3/4 in -----------7/8 in
2 ---------40 to 100 --------1 in -------------1⅛ in
3 ---------80 to 225 --------1ｼ in ----------1 7/16 in
4 ------180 to 400 and up ---1 3/4 in ---------2 in

 

[BoonDoc]

My short list in tabular form:
tractor

 

[jenkinsph]

My preference would be NH then Kioti last Mahindra. Very close between the NH and Kioti, I prefer the two pedal setup and the big + is the independent elec pto on the NH.

Did you notice that the Mahindra is showing the 3PH lift capacity to be more than the tractors weight? A reasonable working load for that tractor would be about 1/3 that weight at about 800 lbs.

 

[BoonDoc]

My preference would be NH then Kioti last Mahindra. Very close between the NH and Kioti, I prefer the two pedal setup and the big + is the independent elec pto on the NH.
Did you notice that the Mahindra is showing the 3PH lift capacity to be more than the tractors weight? A reasonable working load for that tractor would be about 1/3 that weight at about 800 lbs.

My thinking exactly!

The Mahindra weighs in at 500lbs less but claims an incredible lift at the 3PH. Their specs do not specify "at the ball ends, or at 24", only "hydraulic lift capacity". Leaves me to wonder. The lower weight and higher FEL lift capacity make me think the rig could lift the back wheels if I'm not careful. Personally, I like the downswept arms of the NH loader as it improves visibility of the bucket and looks great. If I can confirm that the NH has SSQA, I'll be pleased as punch. Kioti's a real nice package too. Mahindra, lags in PTO HP and is 500lbs less. Also lacks tilt, cruise control. Not big issues for me, but heck, all things being equal why not?

 

[94BULLITT]

Mahindra shows what their tractor will lift at the pivot everyone else is @500mm on the FEL and 24" on the 3ph, so Mahindra will have a bigger number. I don't think the Kioti fel will lift as high as the New Holland either.

 

[jenkinsph]

Try doing something such as operating a 3 PH spin spreader with the electro hysraulic pto then attempt the same with the live pto. Long story short the electric pto is way easier to use.

 

[Gittyup]

I like the the live PTO over the independent, especially for post hole diggers and the like. It lets you use your feet, freeing your hands for all the other levers you need to control at the same time.

 

[k0ua]

I have had both, and get along with either.. the electric/hydraulic independent PTO is convenient, but the clutch controlled live PTO gives a little better control of the spin up in my opinion. All I have used a PTO for is either a rotary cutter, or a finish mower.

James K0UA

 

[madmax12]

My thinking exactly!

The Mahindra weighs in at 500lbs less but claims an incredible lift at the 3PH. Their specs do not specify "at the ball ends, or at 24", only "hydraulic lift capacity". Leaves me to wonder. The lower weight and higher FEL lift capacity make me think the rig could lift the back wheels if I'm not careful. Personally, I like the downswept arms of the NH loader as it improves visibility of the bucket and looks great. If I can confirm that the NH has SSQA, I'll be pleased as punch. Kioti's a real nice package too. Mahindra, lags in PTO HP and is 500lbs less. Also lacks tilt, cruise control. Not big issues for me, but heck, all things being equal why not?

My Max28 has cruise and tilt. So, 3016 prob does too.

My Max28 has MORE PTO HP than the 3016.... maybe you should get the Max28?

If u don't want to lift heavy stuff, don't get a mahindra. Or, get the mahindra, and still don't lift heavy stuff. If you guys don't like the specs, feel free to fill the tractor buckets with cotton balls, and the 3pt can be fitted with knitted pillows. You can be as safety conscious as you feel you need to be. The tractor lifts what it lifts. If you don't want to.... just don't.

BUT... don't say it CAN'T, unless you have tried, and it couldn't. ullinghair:

Quote hanging on wall at work:

"Those who say it can't be done, should stay out of the way of those who are doing it!"

And another replay of DavesTractor:

Mahindra Max 25 lifts the back of a forklift! - YouTube

Get the best tractor for you...

I wanted to be able to lift what I needed to, with the most compact tractor I could.

Mahindra.

Hands down.

 

[BoonDoc]

Kioti with FEL: bucket has max reach 92.5" and digging depth of 5.3"
NH Boomer 30: max 96.7", depth 8"

The Kioti is SSQA. NH's FEL is described as "The Quick-Mount system lets you attach the loader within minutes and take it off just as fast� without tools� and does not require the customer to drive "straight only" to mount the loader. The loader towers have ramps which allow the loader arms to slide right into place without the use of hydraulics." Not sure if this is a universal mount.

 

[94BULLITT]

I am pretty sure the NH is ssqa.

 

[94BULLITT]

And another replay of DavesTractor:

Mahindra Max 25 lifts the back of a forklift! - YouTube

The front tires looked like they were flat with that weight on them.

 

[BoonDoc]

Considering my needs, I'll be doing quite a few things with the FEL. Gravel the mud puddles on the road in, move fallen logs and the like. Root grapple and snow plow likely. Aside from that, brush hog, box blade, for the rear. Gonna clear a couple acres and make a hobby farm. Raw lifting ability would take second place to heft of the tractor. The MAX looks great and packed with goodies but the platform is slightly smaller than I ended up wanting. Out of the more than dozen tractors I first considered, the Mahindra 3016 is in my short list of 3. I still need to go see it and ride it and banter with the dealer. I don't think I'd go wrong in any of these three. Just wanna marry the right girl!

 

[94BULLITT]

have you looked at a yanmar, they makes some tractors and engines for JD.
Yanmar Tractors: Compact Tractors

 

[MtnViewRanch]

A few things to get straightened out. The 3016 DOES NOT have extendable links. It has telescoping stabilizing arms (anti sway bars) As far as OEM rear remotes, there is only one available and it is around $800 I believe. Now it is not the simple in-out control as the Kioti and NH have, it has the float position also, but still over priced IMO. It will indeed out lift the other tractors that you are considering, put fluid in the tires and you would be set.

I am a big proponent of remotes, especially OEM remotes. The Kioti has 2 available and I think that the NH might even have 3 available. I believe that the remotes for these 2 tractors are much more reasonably priced and might even come with 1 as std equipment.

If you are for sure going to get a grapple, I believe that you will be happier with a diverter or even a 3rd function with the control function located on the loader joy stick. Not that using a rear remote won't work for the grapple, it just is not as convenient IMO.

Something else to consider, being new to tractoring, don't try to do everything with one or 2 implements-attachments. When you have a job to do, especially a big job, consider getting the right implement to do the job. Most of the time it will do the job better and faster than trying to get by with what you might happen to have. You will find that you will end up using those implements more than you imagined. If you have questions as to what should be used for a certain task, just ask here at TBN and you will get many good suggestions as to what to use-do.

Good luck with your final decision.

 

[k0ua]

A few things to get straightened out. The 3016 DOES NOT have extendable links. It has telescoping stabilizing arms (anti sway bars) As far as OEM rear remotes, there is only one available and it is around $800 I believe. Now it is not the simple in-out control as the Kioti and NH have, it has the float position also, but still over priced IMO. It will indeed out lift the other tractors that you are considering, put fluid in the tires and you would be set.

I am a big proponent of remotes, especially OEM remotes. The Kioti has 2 available and I think that the NH might even have 3 available. I believe that the remotes for these 2 tractors are much more reasonably priced and might even come with 1 as std equipment.

If you are for sure going to get a grapple, I believe that you will be happier with a diverter or even a 3rd function with the control function located on the loader joy stick. Not that using a rear remote won't work for the grapple, it just is not as convenient IMO.

Something else to consider, being new to tractoring, don't try to do everything with one or 2 implements-attachments. When you have a job to do, especially a big job, consider getting the right implement to do the job. Most of the time it will do the job better and faster than trying to get by with what you might happen to have. You will find that you will end up using those implements more than you imagined. If you have questions as to what should be used for a certain task, just ask here at TBN and you will get many good suggestions as to what to use-do.

Good luck with your final decision.

Yep I guess that is why there are no photographs of the rear of the tractor on the web site, just useless photos of owners and shots of the tractor doing something. I looked in the specs and it does just say telescoping anti-sway bars. So no telescoping lower links.. bummer..

James K0UA

 

[BoonDoc]

have you looked at a yanmar, they makes some tractors and engines for JD.
Yanmar Tractors: Compact Tractors

Had requested a quote on the EX-2900. All the goodies. A nice tractor for sure. Never heard back. I'm glad you reminded me. I think I'll call them tomorrow and pester them for a price.