2022 work master 75 pto too fast shutting down ???

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I had a Workmaster 75 with cab. That's one of the first things I noticed about it. Did not like it. Thought that's what I wanted tractor with cab but after having it a year it just not my thing. I traded it for a Workmaster 70 without cab. The PTO engage disengage is nothing like the WM75. It pretty normal to me like other tractors I had in the past.
Just like Mule I have that come with doors. Did not like opening and closing them. Took them off. My dog did not like them either😁
The difference is not cab or no cab, it's the production years. CNH screwed up a number of things on the later year models. The earlier ones were far simpler to operate and maintain. I know of a few 75's in this area, and none are new enough to have any of the features that are complained about here. Older is still better.
 
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I have a 2021 WM 70 and the pto lever is a clutch. I can slowly engage it and spin up the bush hog smoothly. When I disengage it the pto disengages and the blades spin down. For the same year I would think the 70 and 75 share the same mechanicals.
 
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The WM 50-60-70 tractors are a different platform from the WM 55-65-75 series.
 
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Well unfortunately today we just picked up the new bush hog that finally came in and my worst fears are realized. I tried slowing it down turning it off and Bam what a sound ridiculous I'm done with this BS the blades locked over each other so you have to get underneath and bang them apart or the machine will not start up without bouncing off the ground what were they thinking with this design it just doesn't make any sense that you would have that much mass just come to an instant stop and apparently there are no adjustments or any they'll tell me about ridiculous
That really is a crazy design and not good. My Kioti NX4510 HST just disengages and winds down when the PTO is turned off. It is electrically operated. Why would a company put a PTO brake on a tractor.
 
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That really is a crazy design and not good. My Kioti NX4510 HST just disengages and winds down when the PTO is turned off. It is electrically operated. Why would a company put a PTO brake on a tractor.
Just about all of them these days, with the electric over hydraulic PTO clutch pack. Your NX has a spring applied PTO brake too, either it's already wore out or it's just a lot more gentle stopping the PTO.
 
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Even back into the 60's most independant pto's had a brake some the operator even controlled by how he was applying the control lever.
 
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Well unfortunately the story comes to a sad ending this is the second tractor as I explained earlier in the post. I just want to start off by saying I've always enjoyed New Holland tractors and especially my local dealer who is a high school friend always takes excellent care of me. However at this point I'm done with the tractor as stated this tractor was delivered on October 12th I used it through the winter discovering that it also had the PTO problem especially with the snow blower through the winter. From the date of delivery of the second tractor the PTO RPM gauge never registered not a big deal I was just happy to have a tractor that wasn't leaking and ran good there were numerous other problems with the first tractor including constantly running out of fuel bad fuel pump and odd engine sounds and hydraulic pump noise that's why New Holland took it back. But unfortunately while having the tractor at the dealership to have the tires widened and add an external lift piston to the back for extra lift capacity and offsetting the weight of the 12-ft reach flail they went ahead and tried to fix the PTO RPM meter. The tractor is now been in the shop for 6 days with no resolve it is completely in limp mode after replacing the dashboard with a new one no one has a clue of what's going on New Holland is still working on it I'm quite done they have replaced everything the next problem will be replacing the entire wire harness no thank you I'm done. I'm just going to give you a warning if you're interested in buying these tractors don't do it by any means from another New Holland dealer in New York state I was told they have a lot of growing pains there's a reason on tractor house there are so many for sale check it out for yourself look at the number of workmaster 75 55 65 that are for sale at incredible prices it is a beautiful tractor and it's just what most people need in a small agricultural business. However the amount of workmanship and quality of all the parts are less than what is necessary for a reliable tractor like my 2420 from many years ago. If they ever get the tractor running I'm going to trade it in on a new Massey Ferguson Global series 47100 more tractor than I need but I just can't trust New Holland anymore for the few years I have left in my life I want to enjoy Mowing and taking care of my farm not spending my life fighting with dealerships and corporations. Believe me when I tell you I love the tractor I'll show you a picture of all the extra lights that I put on for plowing and working at nights as I stated I'm not a real farmer just an old guy retired having fun after a lifetime of working I want to spend my golden years enjoying my farm not cursing at iron I should be well buried in the ground by the time this tractor should be having all of these issues LOL . Heed my warning and if you're thinking about saving a little bit of money just buy a Power Star a few steps up built at a different manufacturing plant to a different specifications they had issues too but they corrected a lot of them. Personally I'm just done with New Holland over 40 years I've bought enough of them time to go back to the old Massey Ferguson and I'm sure it could have issues too I'll just roll my dice . Maybe in another 6 years the workmaster will be a good tractor but right now I'd run away from it unless you're a mechanic and you want too spend the time fixing every little thing that keeps going wrong for instance a PTO cable that needs to be replaced every 5 months LOL because it breaks because of the pot metal that connects it to a engagement in the transmission wait to see what that's like when you can't disengage the PTO or reach it to even get underneath the tractor or restart the tractor because the PTO is engaged that will be fun in a winter snowstorm what a stupid design take care
 
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Lou told you what to do in a previous post. Get yourself an over running coupler, real simple. Actually preferred as it removes the shock load from the implement as well as the internal pto brake. I run them on all my implements that don't have it built into the driveline.
 
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An over running clutch isn't even a band aid against his list of other complaints. I think he made a wise decision to take the loss and get rid of it.

There are a number of Workmaster 75 tractors in this area, and most have been pretty good tractors. However, I'm not aware of any being the later version with all the electro/hydraulic functions. I wouldn't recommend that to anyone. New Holland deserves to lose market share if they insist on peddling that sort of product.
 
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Yes once again thank you it is going to be a financial loss however the satisfaction and not dealing with constant breakage is worth its weight in gold. For the last time an overrun clutch which I have on some of the 1963 international tractors on the farm will not help the abrupt starting problem which is just as absurd as the abrupt stopping for the love of God don't you understand an overrun clutch goes One Direction. It's not going to act like a soft start turning the equipment on is just as bad as turning it off a matter of fact that small bush hog almost stalls the engine because of the abrupt turn on. Take care and thank you for the opinions it's probably my fault not explaining what the tracker does as you turn it on to
 
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I have a friend who had two 75 horse NH's- not sure which model, just the hp. The first had serious leaks, and NH bought it back. The second one had overheating issues that they couldn't resolve, so they also bought that one back. I was surprised to hear how quickly they resolved things- NH must know that they have serious issues. It definitely isn't common for a manufacturer to buy a tractor back, much less two.
He bought a Kubota M7060, and hasn't looked back.
 
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RADIUM - your current position is not of your making. Make the trade and enjoy the good life. I'm retired and wonder if I could - hold it down - like you have done. Look forward - better days are coming.

The very best to you.
 
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Yes it's kind of funny they're actually talking about taking this tractor back now that they cannot resolve the electrical problem. They've dispatched a specialist to the dealer who has no clue of what's going on recommendation replace the wire harness as I stated no thank you I told him send it back to a factory and disassemble it then they're actually willing to give me a third tractor. I might give it a go they have a 2023 75 I would just have to move my lights over to it LOL I'm seriously thinking about it it really is the perfect size tractor the Massey Ferguson is kind of heavy and way Overkill cannot find a 75 horsepower Massey Ferguson anywhere in the area and I don't want to go with a John Deere Brothers had so many issues they're not the same tractor anymore either really sad
 
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By the way they stated they would also take care of the PTO issue by turning down their pressure on the relief valve basically allowing it to spin if I wanted to keep the tractor so they can solve this problem it's all Bs it's simply a safety measure that's way overdone
 
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Well good news they got the tractor running did not need a wire harness just an update again from New Holland on computer software and a second dashboard that seems to be working PTO is now registering and working. The tractor seems to be running fine other than of course the ridiculous PTO condition which still hasn't been resolved whether they want to do it or they just will not do it don't really know anyway gives me some more time to think of what to do good to know that it wasn't something overly serious like a rewiring job just thought I'd let you know thanks for all the replies take care
 
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Simple answer I posted a while ago... 6 spine female to 6 spine male over running coupler. You can get one on Amazon or Flea Bay for about 50 bucks. I carry one in each of the tractor's tool boxes. Saves the weak Kubota pto clutch brake.

Kubota's are notorious for clutch brake failure and replacement requires a split.
 
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Okay for the last time I'll try to explain this it must be my fault. Does your tractor jump off the ground or sound like the Driveline is going to snap in half because it goes instant on?? That's the problem more than just shutting it off please try to understand your overrun clutch is not going to allow a slow ramp up of power is that enough to understand what I'm complaining about even the rep looked at it he could not understand why this was occurring. Even at the lowest RPM with the tractor idling if you engage the 8 ft bush hog dual spindle the tractor will either stall or you'll have an instant shaking like something's going to snap never mind with the snow blower does it's even worse 9 ft snowblower. There's no slow ramp up of power it's on or off it's ridiculous so you have to turn the RPMs up a little bit and at that point you're risking snapping a Driveline or a sheer bolt luckily the slip drive on the bush hog gives not so good on the snowblower you got to carry a lot of extra sheer bolts with you from just engaging the machine LOL they're looking into. By the way there's two workmasters on the Dealer's lot that do it even worse I just don't understand what they were thinking with the design like this and I was told they can bypass the pressure and allow it to go on slow it's simply a safety feature that's way overdone someone must have chopped their leg off on a workmaster ridiculous take care
 
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I hope this all works out for you. It seems that you've been very patient and that goes for the dealership as well. Move on and don't look back.
If the MF is heavier than you'd like there are plenty of other colors to pick from and now you are aware of some of these new (in terms of safety) details that us older users would never have dreamed up as necessary.
Common sense apparently is a thing of the past. Next they'll have automatic breaking and collision avoidance but lots of cupholders and a huge "screen" and hot spot capabilities. 🤪
 
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Okay for the last time I'll try to explain this it must be my fault. Does your tractor jump off the ground or sound like the Driveline is going to snap in half because it goes instant on?? That's the problem more than just shutting it off please try to understand your overrun clutch is not going to allow a slow ramp up of power is that enough to understand what I'm complaining about even the rep looked at it he could not understand why this was occurring. Even at the lowest RPM with the tractor idling if you engage the 8 ft bush hog dual spindle the tractor will either stall or you'll have an instant shaking like something's going to snap never mind with the snow blower does it's even worse 9 ft snowblower. There's no slow ramp up of power it's on or off it's ridiculous so you have to turn the RPMs up a little bit and at that point you're risking snapping a Driveline or a sheer bolt luckily the slip drive on the bush hog gives not so good on the snowblower you got to carry a lot of extra sheer bolts with you from just engaging the machine LOL they're looking into. By the way there's two workmasters on the Dealer's lot that do it even worse I just don't understand what they were thinking with the design like this and I was told they can bypass the pressure and allow it to go on slow it's simply a safety feature that's way overdone someone must have chopped their leg off on a workmaster ridiculous take care
They probably did that to mitigate pto brake clutch failure and far as an abrupt start of any implement, the addition of an adjustable multi plate slip clutch in the driveline will eliminate that issue entirely.

Most of my quality implements including my disc mower (which happens to be a New Holland) as well as my new Kubota BV round bailer have them factory installed and so does my new pto driven stump grinder.

My Land pride 9 foot brush hog didn't come with one and neither did my 15 foot bat wing fold up shredder but, I added them anyway.

A slip clutch in the driveline as well as an over running coupler will totally eliminate and and all driveline shock when starting up any implement or stopping them when any implement will drive the disengaged pto stub. The pto will come to an immediate stop and not rotate at all and that totally eliminates pto brake wear, which is something I needed to do with my large frame Kubota's as the Kubota pto brakes are marginal at best and replacement requires splitting the tractors, which is a very involved process and if done by a dealer will be extremely expensive.

Tractor Supply sells them, I believe the Weasler brand but they can be had cheaper on line. Never replaced a shear bolt on any implement I own other than my own stupidity like sucking up a paving brick in my snowblower and locking the impeller.

My final comment is, quit whining and take care of the issue. I've laid out the plan in detail as to what to do. Up to you to remedy the issue. if you cannot do it yourself, have your dealer install a slip clutch. Far as the over running clutch on the pto stub, that is totally plug and play.

Do keep in mind that you will probably have to shorten the sliding halves on the driveline to compensate for the additional length of the slip clutch as well as the over running coupler and I presume you know how to do that. If not, have the dealer do that as well. he knows the procedure.

Have a nice day, I'm done here....
 
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Well once again thank you for all the opinions you're telling me to put a slip clutch in between a snow blower that would go well LOL have a nice day no reason to get into these arguments it seems to be great every time I come on this support site I'm simply telling you and even the rep from New Holland is agreeing with me it's a very bad design and needs to be adjusted or fixed somehow put it back the way the old tractors used to work turn it on Let It ramp up slow and let it spin till it comes to a stop don't get out of the tractor and put your foot underneath the bush for god sakes have some common sense when you're operating 8,000 lb 60 hp pto equipment take care
 

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