2023 or 2030?

[Blstr88]

I posted this in the general buying forum but thought it might be more fitting in the LS forum...

So Ive narrowed it down to either the 2023 or 2030...they have everything I need at a great price, and I can use a FRONT mount snowblower which will be 10x easier for my wife than having to back down our driveway...

My question is, is the +5 HP the 2030 has going to make a noticeable difference in anything? The biggest turn off for my with the 2030 is that is has the single-peddle design which I really dislike. The 2023 has the two-pedals.

If the 2030 had the twin-peddle design Id get that hands down...but I really dislike the single pedal. The 2023 is ~$800 cheaper than the 2030 which doesnt matter to me (although saving $800 is always nice!).

Anybody else dislike the single pedal but grow to like it?

 

[Blstr88]

I got one response in the other forum pointing out the extra HP only translates to +2.5HP at the PTO...I cant help but think 2.5HP is pretty much insignificant?

As for its intended use, it would mostly be used for FEL work in summer and snowblowing in the winter...Ill most likely pick up a rake to keep our long driveway smoothed out too.

The 2023 actually has a higher FEL capacity than the 2030 too ironically...so when it comes to FEL work the smaller 23 sounds like the better choice.

 

[azranger]

I was in the same situation between the g3038 and the g3033. I ended up buying the g3033, and I personally don't think 5hp is going to make that much difference. I did not want to pay the extra $1000 for 5hp.

 

[Gary in NJ]

On a daily use basis, you'll never miss the 5hp advantage of the 2030 over the 2023, but you'll always notice (and regret) the difference in the pedals.

Go with the J2023 and be happy every time your toes touch the controls.

 

[antlers125]

Side by side comparison shows the 2023 has more capabilities.

 

[Olympus]

I was in the same boat a couple months ago. I bought the 2023. The dual hyrdo pedals are a HUGE improvement over the treadle pedal. Then you also go from a 8.6gpm hydro pump on the 2030 to a 9.2gpm pump on the 2023. And then you have what I consider to be a big increase in loader capacity with the 2023.

It was a no-brainer for me. My biggest advice would be to factor in the cost of having the tires filled with fluid. I don't get enough traction with mine.

 

[antlers125]

I definitely would load your tires on either one. I did a DIY filling my tires w/ RIMGUARD -total cost for both rear tires was $120.00.

I was in the same boat a couple months ago. I bought the 2023. The dual hyrdo pedals are a HUGE improvement over the treadle pedal. Then you also go from a 8.6gpm hydro pump on the 2030 to a 9.2gpm pump on the 2023. And then you have what I consider to be a big increase in loader capacity with the 2023.

It was a no-brainer for me. My biggest advice would be to factor in the cost of having the tires filled with fluid. I don't get enough traction with mine.

 

[hockeylover86]

I was in the same boat a couple months ago. I bought the 2023. The dual hyrdo pedals are a HUGE improvement over the treadle pedal. Then you also go from a 8.6gpm hydro pump on the 2030 to a 9.2gpm pump on the 2023. And then you have what I consider to be a big increase in loader capacity with the 2023.

It was a no-brainer for me. My biggest advice would be to factor in the cost of having the tires filled with fluid. I don't get enough traction with mine.

How do you like the 2023 so far?

I'm undecided between the 2023, wait for the new 2027, or move up to the G/XR 30hp tractors...

The 2023 does not have the SSQA loader attachment correct?

 

[Olympus]

I'm actually luke warm about my 2023. Biggest problem I have is that it gets ZERO traction without 4wd engaged. I've got 18 hours on it and I've gotten stuck 4 times. I was planning on being fluid in the tires this week since I had a day off, but then the tractor developed an engine problem so I had to use my day off to take it back to the dealership for service.

I would not go to the 2027. For a little more you could jump up to the bigger 3000 series. That's a lot more tractor than the J Series. I went with the J Series because the SCUTs were too small and the 3000 series models were a lot bigger than I would ever need.

 

[antlers125]

I have 26 hrs. on mine & LOVE it. I've removed 2 large tree stumps digging down 2ft. to get to the roots & multiple logs w/o a problem all w/ the fel. For the price & its size this tractor is hard to beat. If your in Ct. stop by SETARO MOTORS in Waterbury- GREAT guys. It does NOT have the SSQA.

How do you like the 2023 so far?

I'm undecided between the 2023, wait for the new 2027, or move up to the G/XR 30hp tractors...

The 2023 does not have the SSQA loader attachment correct?

 

[E3A]

If your in Ct. stop by SETARO MOTORS in Waterbury- GREAT guys.

I was there last week. His best price for the J2023H was $13,425. That's quite a bit more than you paid for yours a few months ago, isn't it?

 

[Blstr88]

Wow thanks for the replies guys, yeah I think I'm going to go for the 2023...I agree that the 3033 is quite a bit more tractor but more than I need...and the biggest turn off for my with the 3033 is that I can't get a front mount snowblower, which I put very high on my list of priorities...happy wife = happy life right?

He's got it listed for $13,700...hoping I can get it closer to $13,000 or even high $12s would be nice.

 

[Olympus]

I paid $12,200 for my 2023. I had another dealer at $12,500. You can do better than $13k. Good luck!

 

[GManBart]

I was in the same situation between the g3038 and the g3033. I ended up buying the g3033, and I personally don't think 5hp is going to make that much difference. I did not want to pay the extra $1000 for 5hp.

That $1K would have also given you 20% more lift capacity on the FEL as well....1900lbs versus 1600lbs. That's enough to make a clear difference if you're really using your FEL a lot.

 

[GManBart]

It was a no-brainer for me. My biggest advice would be to factor in the cost of having the tires filled with fluid. I don't get enough traction with mine.

Filling the tires won't make any difference for the problems you're talking about. R4s slip on wet/muddy surfaces, regardless of how heavy you make the machine. With counterweight, my LS weighs 6,600lbs without me on it, and it will spin the R4s in anything muddy/wet, even in 4wd with the differential lock engaged. My Massey only weighs 4,200lbs, and has similar size tires, but R1s, and it will walk right through the same areas without any problem, and that's in 2wd without the differential lock engaged.

It's not the tractor, it's not the weight, it's not fluid in the tires, it's the kind of tires that you're struggling with.

 

[windcatcher]

"It's not the tractor, it's not the weight, it's not fluid in the tires, it's the kind of tires that you're struggling with. "

I've been watching youtube videos of tractors getting stuck in mud, etc. You'd be surprised at how many of those tractors have the R4 industrial tires on them. I've changed my mind on purchasing a J series tractor for a G series because the G series offers Ag (R1) tires and the J series doesn't.

Yeah, bit of an overkill on tractor size, but I doubt I'll have to call another farmer to come help me extract my tractor out of the field.

4 X 4 with Ags? Yeah, that's the ticket.

 

[azranger]

That $1K would have also given you 20% more lift capacity on the FEL as well....1900lbs versus 1600lbs. That's enough to make a clear difference if you're really using your FEL a lot.

I have the rear tires filled and a box blade and I have seen the times the rear end is still lite, with a full bucket of dirt. Them being the same tractor, the extra 5hp and 300# in lift was not worth it to me in my opinion.

 

[GManBart]

I have the rear tires filled and a box blade and I have seen the times the rear end is still lite, with a full bucket of dirt. Them being the same tractor, the extra 5hp and 300# in lift was not worth it to me in my opinion.

No offense, but filled tires and a box blade aren't nearly the correct combo to safely use the loader. Filled tires are useful for traction, but many people incorrectly think they're intended to help keep the rear tires planted. They take no weight off the front axle, and do far less than 3pt weight to keep the rear tires planted. Something like an 800lb counterweight would almost certainly let you max the loader safely, and help minimize front axle wear.

The fact that you can lift the rear tires with just a full bucket of dirt means you not have enough counterweight, and aren't being as safe as you could be.

 

[azranger]

No offense, but filled tires and a box blade aren't nearly the correct combo to safely use the loader. Filled tires are useful for traction, but many people incorrectly think they're intended to help keep the rear tires planted. They take no weight off the front axle, and do far less than 3pt weight to keep the rear tires planted. Something like an 800lb counterweight would almost certainly let you max the loader safely, and help minimize front axle wear.

The fact that you can lift the rear tires with just a full bucket of dirt means you not have enough counterweight, and aren't being as safe as you could be.

No offense taken, I agree to a point, if all I was using was the fel then a heavier counter weight would be the best option, however a lot of people use other implements with the fel so the counter weight might not be an option. For me the fluid in the tires made enough of a difference . I was just trying to point out that for me the 300# extra lift capacity was not a deal breaker on the same tractor.

 

[Olympus]

It's not just the lift capacity difference. You also have a much bigger hyrdo pump as well as the dual pedal system with the 2023.

My dealer had a new 2030 in stock and I spent time driving it. I hated the rocker pedal. I'm sure I could have gotten the 2030 for a better price, but I decided to order the 2023 instead.