2305 First Service

EasyE · Jan 16, 2006

It has been recommended that @ the first 50 hours I change transmission oil & filter, and clean transmission suction screen. Is this something I should do myself or for warranty purposes take it in to the dealer? Is it something I can do myself easily?BTW, I am not exactlly mechanically inclined but, I can hold my own when it comes to my commercial mowers. This is my first tractor.

JDFANATIC · Jan 16, 2006

EasyE,

On my 2210 I opted to have the dealer do the 50 hr. service. It cost me $592.43, including pick-up, delivery, loading the tires and replacing mower blades with Gator Blades. I decided to go this way since it was the first service, intending to do all subsequent ones myself. As you can see, it is not cheap. If you decide to do it yourself, make sure it includes: Change engine oil and filter, hydraulic oil and filter, fuel filter, check battery and clean connections, check coolant level and protection to -30F, check and adjust fan belt, check all hoses, check and adjust brakes, check air tire pressure, check MFWD oil level, check lights and flashers, grease machine and attachments, check wheel hardware torque (all taken from my 50 hr. invoice).

RalphVa · Jan 16, 2006

Do a search and you'll find where lots of 2210 owners did their own 50 hour service.

I did it on my 4010, and it even requires removal of one rear wheel to slide the bar that holds the lift arms in place out from in front of the hydraulic oil filter cap. I got a terrific Clark Champ compressor and air impact wrench at TSC that made removal and replacement of the wheel bolts no sweat.

If you do the front axle, hydraulics and engine oil at separate times, you should be able to use a normal, approx. 13 quart automotive drain oil saver.

Removal of the ring holding the fuel filter bowl in place requires removing the whole assembly by undoing one 12 mm bolt that holds it to the frame. Don't know whether the 2305 will have this problem or not, but on the 4010 the bowl is behind the vertical arm on the FEL assembly. That 12 mm bolt was easy to get too, but the bowl ring isn't until you remove the bolt and rotate the whole assembly up to where you can get to the ring.

Also, on my 4010, getting at the engine oil filter is made easier if you get a wrench that fits over the end of the filter. The dealer didn't have one. Got one at NAPA for the next change. For the first change, I snaked a chain wrench that I have up and over the filter to get it off. The filter on the 2305 is likely also tucked in there pretty close. Those standard oil filter wrenches just won't fit in there.

Ralph

rvtech · Jan 16, 2006

J.D. How do you like the gators? I was going to get a set, but my neighbor complained about his vibrating and took them off.

JDFANATIC · Jan 16, 2006

rv,

My third Deere with them; I wouldn't have anything else. Big advantage is in the fall when it shreds leaves into mulch. I never bag. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

EasyE · Jan 16, 2006

( rv,

My third Deere with them; I wouldn't have anything else. Big advantage is in the fall when it shreds leaves into mulch. I never bag. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif )

Give the ATOMIC'S a try. Very similar to Gators. I run them on all my mowers (TORO). They work good in wet grass also.

johndeere_2210 · Jan 17, 2006

EasyE,

Personally, I think you can knock the 50-hour service out yourself and enjoy the experience. The only realy pain-in-the butt is getting the small hose off where the inner succ., tube in located, but very do-able.

The owners man., is very good and just following it should result in a job well done. FYI... if you are doing this yourself, just purchase a 5-gallon pal of Low vis, because that is typically cheaper than quarts or gallons to get the 3.5 gallons needed, plus a little extra for later.

rvtech · Jan 17, 2006

I am due for my 50 hour service. I will be doing it myself soon. I'll let you know how it goes.

jimgerken · Jan 18, 2006

Check with your dealer. Mine recommends NOT changing the engine oil at 50 hrs. He says they are getting better results by leaving the oil run twice as long the first time through. It seats the rings better and makes for a tighter engine in the long run, with less blow-by. Check with your dealer and see what he would do if it were his own tractor.

h20camper · Jan 18, 2006

It's ok to change it at 50 hours but put fresh Break-In oil back in. Part #TY22041.

http://jdparts.deere.com/partsmkt/document/english/pmac/7571_wc_Oil_and_Filters.htm

JDFANATIC · Jan 18, 2006

I'd stick by the owners manual recomendations (and have). Just changed the oil at 150 hrs. for my 3rd time. I'd want to have this documented for any warranty issues. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

h20camper · Jan 18, 2006

( I'd stick by the owners manual recomendations (and have). Just changed the oil at 150 hrs. for my 3rd time. )

Well you actually haven't stuck by the manual. The manual recommends all subsequent oil changes after the initial 50 hour to be at 200 hours.

http://manuals.deere.com/cceomview/OMLVU14661_G3/Output/OMLVU14661_G37.html#450219

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RalphVa · Jan 18, 2006

Don't blame him for changing the oil at 150 hours, which I guess is 100 hours after the inital 50 hour change. Two hundred hours is a LOONG time on the engine oil. I plan to change mine again on my 4010 at about 125 hours after the initial change (to Mobil 1) at 13 hours.

Ralph

h20camper · Jan 18, 2006

I'm not blaming him for anything except stating he stuck to the owner's manual and (rightfully) hadn't. I agree on changing the oil at 50 hour intervals (~$10.00 using either Deere Plus50 or Rotella Syn oils) but also agree with others about running Break-in oil for the first 100 hours.

http://jdparts.deere.com/partsmkt/document/english/pmac/7571_wc_Oil_and_Filters.htm

JDFANATIC · Jan 18, 2006

Take a look at the oil at 50 hrs . . . you'll be wanting to change it. As for the warranty issues, Deere even states in their manual: IMPORTANT: Avoid damage! Operating in extreme conditions may require more frequent service intervals. Engine components may become dirty or plugged when operating in extreme heat, dust or other severe conditions. Engine oil may lose efficiency if machine is operated constantly at slow or low engine speeds or with frequent short trips. I for one would rather be explaining how I serviced my tractor more frequently, than why I stretched out service intervals . . . /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

h20camper · Jan 18, 2006

You've missed the point. The point is you were advising to strictly follow the manual when you (again, rightfully) aren't.

EasyE · Jan 18, 2006

"My Manual" states to change what I put in my original post. (Trans. oil and filter @ 50 hours). Engine oil and filter @ every 200 hours. That is what "my manual" states. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

h20camper · Jan 18, 2006

Dag on if it don't!

http://manuals.deere.com/cceomview/OMLVU16738_H5/Output/OMLVU16738_H58.html#2644339

Several of us responding have 2210s (very simular model but does have a different engine). That sure seems like a long time! Don't think that I would wait that long. To me, same thoughts as automobile manufacturers recommending 5k or longer for oil changes when most of us follow 3k.

rvtech · Jan 18, 2006

At the top:
IMPORTANT: Avoid damage! Operating in extreme conditions may require more frequent service intervals:

· Engine components may become dirty or plugged when operating in extreme heat, dust or other severe conditions.

· Engine oil may lose efficiency if vehicle is operated constantly at slow or low engine speeds or with frequent short trips.

This applies to some. I will be changing my oil soon (51 hours now) I usually change my gas engines when the oil starts to look dirty. That won't work on the diesel. I will not go past 100 hours. I think it's very important to be sure the rings are seated. Mine hasn't used any oil yet. I'll probably go with the break in oil.

Seems strange to me Deere is still using break in oil(non detergent). No auto manufacturers do it any more. Some even come with synthetic in them.

EasyE · Jan 18, 2006

( Dag on if it don't!

http://manuals.deere.com/cceomview/OMLVU16738_H5/Output/OMLVU16738_H58.html#2644339

Several of us responding have 2210s (very simular model but does have a different engine). That sure seems like a long time! Don't think that I would wait that long. To me, same thoughts as automobile manufacturers recommending 5k or longer for oil changes when most of us follow 3k. )

I thought it seemed like a long time before the first oil change to. I will change it before then, maybe around 100 hours to be safe, unless the dealer tells me different.