240D Starter Issue
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Hi Winston-I did notice it was available and it may come to that. I suppose I'm looking for someone to express an opinion on the state of the ring gear. Having changed the solenoid and the starter drive recently (interms of hours on it) I'm down to changing the starter and seeing if that works. The ring gear change doesn't look expensive but splitting a tractor is always a ton of time (at least for am amateur like me) Appreciate your help and good to see you on this forum as well as others,
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I have had flywheels on vehicles that basically were missing a tooth (damaged to the point of all but gone). If the starter gear could grab the next tooth it would usually advance it enough to start the vehicle. It might take a few attempts, but usually happened. Of course this was always a need to go and not able to stop and do repairs. It did often lead to a meed to replace the starter gear as well, but....
Again my display of your bad teeth on ring gear was out of focus (may be my viewer) so hard to express an opinion on the ring gear. The second picture should not cause any issues.
A new starter sounds like the way to go and I would guess will fix your issues.
Again my display of your bad teeth on ring gear was out of focus (may be my viewer) so hard to express an opinion on the ring gear. The second picture should not cause any issues.
A new starter sounds like the way to go and I would guess will fix your issues.
Thank you sir, While I've had this issue on cars through the years I've never had it on a tractor so wasn't sure. I'm going to order a new starter and see. There something odd with the voltage and could easily be it. My amateur view of the teeth was they weren't that bad at their worst but again not sure. Most of the flywheel is like the second pic. Really appreciate the help. Please keep safe.
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If you are having a voltage issue, you may not have a starter issue. I thought you had said you had good voltage at the starter.
Before ordering a starter, I would check every connection from the battery ground to the starter connections. It may also be worth the effort to take the battery somewhere and be load tested. It is possible that any loose/corroded connection or weak battery may be your issue and not the starter.
Sorry Coy for omitting info. The "voltage" issue i mentioned is on the starter post of the solenoid (which is relatively new). On the battery side it is almost 13V steady but on the starter side it is 12 =12.8 when whirling/grinding but when it engages the engine it drops to under 11. That's what I've been struggling to determine, is it something going on inside the starter or is it a mechanical issue involving the starter gear/ring gear. I've cleaned tightened all connection including the ground at the frame. Also used booster cables from a pickup with it running directly to the starter and the numbers don't change.
I apologize, I should have given more info in the first post.
I suppose it could be the solenoid but it wouldn't have 20 hours on it. And it was doing this before I changed it.
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Where are you connecting the booster cables?
If the connection point for your booster cables is the battery cable connection, you have not eliminated the potential for battery issues to still haunt you. S battery that shows a surface charge may not have that same charge under a load.
Yes I am arm chair quarterbacking here, but your 11 volt issue could still be the battery.
Just a thought but one I would check!
No stranger than the truck started just like always to go to town, and when you come out if the store, the battery is shot!
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That's what I would do. Try to find an OEM starter for the 240D. I'm assuming that you have watched the starter pinion climb up the shaft when you have it off the tractor and spin up the starter.... and that it looked OK doing that. Probably you checked that the pinion is a good fit on the pinion shaft too. \
And if all that looked reasonable I'm going to guess that it was. There isn't much that can go wrong with a starter itself. They are pretty simple devices to fix, so if you have to get an older OEM one that needs a rebuild but has a good pinion & the OEM solenoid then I'd go that way. You probably already noticed that rebuilding the solenoid itself is super simple. Well, rebuilding a starter is usually simple too. And IMHO rebuilding it is ALWAYS better than trying to fit some kind of aftermarket starter.
To chew up a ring gear like that my guess is the pinion is the wrong one. Typical of aftermarket rebuilds. Maybe the starter is wrong too. From the wear on the ring gear it looks like the pinion either has the wrong tooth count, or not enough engagement, or the starter body has the wrong pinion/motor mount casting. Get another one while you still have some ring gear left.
Oh, btw, those voltage numbers are reasonable. That's not your problem.
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Thanks Coy, Even though I had cleaned and tightened all connections (includiing the ground to frame) I did the booster thing to the solenoid. It was quite a picture, trying to hold the booster to the battery side of the solenoid, not disturbing the voltmeter and watching it and reaching around to get to the ignition switch to turn it over. You make a good point, I never load tested the battery which I should do as I have a load tester. Bought it a few years back when it was on sale and it is still in the box. I tend to do stuff like that, buying tools and meters and forgetting about them. I just enjoy this stuff a lot (most of the time). Thinking about it last night I suppose it is possible it is a combination of two things doing this.
Once I get this and a search done to ensure ensure it is the correct gear and starter motor I'll repost.
Really appreciate you interest and advice.
Once I get this and a search done to ensure ensure it is the correct gear and starter motor I'll repost.
Really appreciate you interest and advice.
Thanks rScotty
Thinking through everything occurred to me the tractor may not have the correct starter and/or gear. I've had it since 07 but it is a mid-80s so anything is possible. I've found the original Hitachi number in the manual as well as the original Yanmar number so I'll do some research after I find the numbers on the starter. I'm also going to pull it off and count the number of gears. I got the starter drive from Hoye so I doubt it is the wrong number of teeth but you never know, people do make mistakes. I'm going to load test the battery as well. It has been in there for a few years.
It also occurred it may be more than one issue causing it to behave this way. Its a puzzler but I determined to get it worked out.
Really appreciate your input and advice. Auto electrics is my weak point.
Stay safe
Thinking through everything occurred to me the tractor may not have the correct starter and/or gear. I've had it since 07 but it is a mid-80s so anything is possible. I've found the original Hitachi number in the manual as well as the original Yanmar number so I'll do some research after I find the numbers on the starter. I'm also going to pull it off and count the number of gears. I got the starter drive from Hoye so I doubt it is the wrong number of teeth but you never know, people do make mistakes. I'm going to load test the battery as well. It has been in there for a few years.
It also occurred it may be more than one issue causing it to behave this way. Its a puzzler but I determined to get it worked out.
Really appreciate your input and advice. Auto electrics is my weak point.
Stay safe