2nd safari rifle

[284 International]

.. a weatherby 460 magnum...

"Kills on one end, wounds on the other."

The only one of those I have ever held seemed FAR too light to be manageable, though I've never fired one. How was yours to shoot, Woody?

 

[Soundguy]

i can sure tell you the .416 rigby I have could use another 10# of gun under it to make it feel less like someone hitting you in the shoulder with a baseball bat!

 

[vtsnowedin]

A friend of mine has a Winchester model 70 featherweight in .338 Winchester magnum. I can tell you that "feather weight" and 338 Magnum should not go together in the same sentence or the same gun. Kicks like a mule even with a bag of shot between your shoulder and the butt plate. Shooting a five shot group at 200 yards from sand bags you send two down range , then you walk down to see how your doing and to let your teeth settle back into the sockets, finding two holes a fingers width apart both touching the top of a two inch bulls eye I said that's well within minute of moose angle, to he#@ with the other three shots. He has shot moose caribou and black bear with it but uses other guns deer hunting.
I like my 7x57. good for everytjhing from gophers to elephants:thumbsup:

 

[284 International]

The two least pleasant firearms I've ever shot were the tiny scandium snub nose revolvers by Smith and Wesson (the second one because I couldn't believe the first one hurt as much as I remembered-it did. :laughing and a stupid single shot 20 gauge Stevens.

The revolvers hurt because, well, they weigh virtually nothing, and I was given some of the IMI 170 grain ammunition to try in them. Foolish and dangerous; I didn't know that's what ammunition they had. My hands don't fit the weapon properly, so I got wrapped on the knuckles by the trigger guard to boot. I see the utility and appeal, but getting through a basic qualification course with normal ammunition would be awful.

I don't know why the little 20 gauge hurts so much. Somehow it manages to hurt the shoulder and the cheek bone more than any firearm I've ever shot. I have a fairly light 375 H&H that I do pretty good work with, and it doesn't hurt anywhere near as much as the single shot. Nor does my Wild West guns 457 mag or any of the military weapons with metal butt plates. It feels like receiving the blunt end of a hatchet on the shoulder and the face each time I shoot it.

 

[studor]

There are a couple of 12 gauge slugs on the market that just plain hurt to fire.I used to go to the range a lot and fire off a considerable amount of centerfire ammo up to and including .375 per session. A box of five slugs (the sabot ones with pistol bullets) and I was pretty much done for the day

 

[RobertN]

Some years back, I had opportunity to put some rounds thru a Remington 700 from thier custom shop. It was sporter barrel, synthetic stock, light weight 375H&H. It was Magna-Port'ed though...

Warm handloads with heavy bullets were not much different than a heavy bullet 30-06...

That porting made a big difference!

 

[vtsnowedin]

The two least pleasant firearms I've ever shot were the tiny scandium snub nose revolvers by Smith and Wesson (the second one because I couldn't believe the first one hurt as much as I remembered-it did. :laughing and a stupid single shot 20 gauge Stevens.

The revolvers hurt because, well, they weigh virtually nothing, and I was given some of the IMI 170 grain ammunition to try in them. Foolish and dangerous; I didn't know that's what ammunition they had. My hands don't fit the weapon properly, so I got wrapped on the knuckles by the trigger guard to boot. I see the utility and appeal, but getting through a basic qualification course with normal ammunition would be awful.

I don't know why the little 20 gauge hurts so much. Somehow it manages to hurt the shoulder and the cheek bone more than any firearm I've ever shot. I have a fairly light 375 H&H that I do pretty good work with, and it doesn't hurt anywhere near as much as the single shot. Nor does my Wild West guns 457 mag or any of the military weapons with metal butt plates. It feels like receiving the blunt end of a hatchet on the shoulder and the face each time I shoot it.

It sounds like that 20 gauge is both very light and has a stock that is "cast off" meaning that it is bent or warped so that if you look straight down at it the butt is not in line with the bore but off to the right (for a right handed shooter). The recoil force brings the gun straight back from the muzzle and as the butt isn't in that line it moves the gun to the left and smacks you in the cheek which is in line. I had a muzzleloader like that once for about two days.!!

 

[vtsnowedin]

There are a couple of 12 gauge slugs on the market that just plain hurt to fire.I used to go to the range a lot and fire off a considerable amount of centerfire ammo up to and including .375 per session. A box of five slugs (the sabot ones with pistol bullets) and I was pretty much done for the day

Two possibilities spring to mind. One that the gun you were shooting had 2 3/4 inch chambers while those rounds may be made for 3 inch magnum chambers only. The second is that the gun might have had a full choke while those rounds are intended to be used in guns with improved cylinder or no choke at all. Both possibilities would give very high pressures and recoil and might have burst a barrel with your face and eyes way too close to the shrapnel. Can't tell without seeing both the gun and the ammo but do be quite sure the ammo fits in the future.

 

[lockhaven]

most production guns are built for both right and left hand shooters that is why they "kick" harder. They really do not have any more kick it is just they are not made properly. length of pull off set all come into play. If a gun fits good recoil is easily managed. I was always lucky because a factory Remington 700 fit almost perfect.

 

[dusty3030]

Two possibilities spring to mind. One that the gun you were shooting had 2 3/4 inch chambers while those rounds may be made for 3 inch magnum chambers only. The second is that the gun might have had a full choke while those rounds are intended to be used in guns with improved cylinder or no choke at all. Both possibilities would give very high pressures and recoil and might have burst a barrel with your face and eyes way too close to the shrapnel. Can't tell without seeing both the gun and the ammo but do be quite sure the ammo fits in the future.

I doubt it. Most slugs these days hurt like ****. Heavy loaded for max power just the nature of the beast.