2wd vs 4wd

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Given the size of my property, a larger and heavier tractor wouldn't be a plus. A smaller tractor with 4wd is right. Also, I have R4 tires, which are not the best for traction. I reckon near all 2wd tractors have R1s. I need all the help I can get!

This is what has made the smaller 4wd tractors so popular! They are just plain handy! :)

The size of our place here, we really need a larger 2wd just for bush hoggin...
 
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#42  
Thanks Skintback for raising the topic to provoke thought and discussion.
With thought and discussion there can be the acceptance of diversity and a recognition as you seem to have come to, that part of the diversity is the variation in conditions different members face.
If I did not want to hear other points of view I would not come on a forum.
Plenty of urban folks may think of us as just dumb farmers. Be that as it may, I think farmers can be pretty bright, and collectively if our brainpower was dynamite we could blow out all of the candles on the birthday cake and have some to spare.
By listening to the views of the members on this forum I may get a good idea that I can use and I haven't tired myself out trying to think of it.
Keep up provoking thought and discussion the forum is richer for it.

This is exactly why I like to come here and read. I learn a lot of variations to the way I/we do things. Thank you.

Aw don't worry Skintback that humble/modest stuff is a just Canadian nuclear electricians view point. Isn't that right b&d?

:thumbsup: I was wondering....

Skint, it was a good thread, and provoked a lot of thought.. Thanks for starting it.

James K0UA

I heard a lot of opinions/reasons I hadn't considered as well. Appreciate it

Given the size of my property, a larger and heavier tractor wouldn't be a plus. A smaller tractor with 4wd is right. Also, I have R4 tires, which are not the best for traction. I reckon near all 2wd tractors have R1s. I need all the help I can get!

This is what has made the smaller 4wd tractors so popular! They are just plain handy! :)

This is another very good reason for owning a 4wd compact. I KNEW I didn't want a compact two wheel drive either. However, if I had stayed with a full size 50hp tractor, I'm pretty sure I was going to get a 2wd. Glad I got my mini L and won't be getting rid of it anytime soon. Thanks!

Edited to say I was afraid a 2wd compact wasn't going to do what I wanted a tractor to do. I guess I was one of those that bought a 4wd compact to help with what I thought I was losing in tractor size. My little 3240 will do everything and more than the Ford 3000 it replaced.
 
   / 2wd vs 4wd #43  
I myself live in KS so snow is NOT foreign to me. LOL. That being said, I have had 3 tractors, that last being the one I just bought. It's a 4025 Mahindra. It is 2 WD and has a loader. I have been able to move heavy hay bales (1200+ lbs.) as well as move snow, pull out vehicles, and what ever else I have needed to do with 2 WD. I just couldn't get myself to shell out the extra money for 4 WD when I have been just fine with out it. Just my thoughts.
 
   / 2wd vs 4wd #44  
I myself live in KS so snow is NOT foreign to me. LOL. That being said, I have had 3 tractors, that last being the one I just bought. It's a 4025 Mahindra. It is 2 WD and has a loader. I have been able to move heavy hay bales (1200+ lbs.) as well as move snow, pull out vehicles, and what ever else I have needed to do with 2 WD. I just couldn't get myself to shell out the extra money for 4 WD when I have been just fine with out it. Just my thoughts.

:):) I did just fine without a backhoe for a few years. Then I got one (well actually traded that 1st tractor with a BH for another tractor with a BH) and won't go without one now. I realized after I got it that a lot of my doing just fine was because I was avoiding jobs that I knew I couldn't do without a BH. Sure most people with 2wd know there are times, jobs, places to NOT go with 2wd that they would if they had 4wd.
Is a BH worth the additional cost? To me it quite obviously is but it is mostly because I can do jobs myself when I want to do them and not wait for someone else to come or transportation issues for rental machines as well as waiting till I have enough projects to justify a rental. Affordable convenience is worth a lot of money to me at this point in my life. I DON'T farm, I do my own personal landscaping as well as my brothers next door digging, moving and tractor work along with neighbors and other near family small BH digging jobs. So, I could say I did just fine for 5 or 6 years without a BH because I didn't have one and had never used one but I can't and won't say that now that I do have one that I've used for the past 4 or 5 years.
 
   / 2wd vs 4wd #45  
we made it fine for almost 40yrs with 2wd drive tractors.then the winter of 2009 an 10 we stuck the 2wd drive tractor a few times.had to get friends with 4wd drive tractor to pull us out.so in 2010 i bought the 1st 4x4 tractor.then in 2012 another 4x4 tractor was boughyt.so now we have 2 4x4 tractors.now 2 wd tractor can be used in the summer to cut rake an bale hay but thats about it.
 
   / 2wd vs 4wd #46  
bigbull338
Where do you live in Texas? I've never seen snow deep enough in Coyote Flats,Tx to need a MFWD tractor.
 
   / 2wd vs 4wd #47  
txjim i live east of dallas about 90mi.weve had as much as 8in of snow at a time.plus that winter was super wet.an you couldnt find a dry place to put out hay.
 
   / 2wd vs 4wd #48  
The needs in agriculture have changed and now the MFWD has proliferated because many farmers want a tractor that handles a higher speed for spraying, can pull heavy implements and manage heavy equipment behind. An equal 4WD tractor is not well suited to running a baler for example, yeah it can be done, but not as conveniently as with an equal hp MFWD.
In Europe and the UK tractor/trailer combinations appear to have replaced trucks and truck/trailer combinations in local agriculture.
I believe this trend if not started by the Germans certainly took hold there. After WWII Gemany was fofbiddeen to make military trucks. The response was to make a 4WD "agricultural" tractor that could carry a load on its back, had air brakes, had a space for a turmtable and could therefore become a semi trailer. Has anyone recognised the close similarity between the Mercedes Benz tractors like the MB Trac 1300 and the Mercedes Benz Unimog. The Unimog is a military truck no longer disguised as a tractor, and has the capacity to be used as a tractor with pto and certainly with earlier models 3pl too.. The JCB Fastrac is another modern example. A carrying platform (useful for a spray tank) that will take a turntable, air brakes and rated at 32 tonnes gross, with about a 50 mph top speed. 4wd, good visibility, air brakes, hydraulics (for a tipper), plenty of low down pull, and multi-use ability why have a truck for the farm when a tractor will do both as well as be a self propelled spray outfit.
I know this has widened the discussion into areas not covered before, but there are 4WD tractors around the world that widen the utility of agricultural tractors.
Oh and incidentally I saw a post about 4WD tractors first appearing in the 1950's. Massey Harris put an equal 4 wd tractor into production in the 1920's, conventional steering, not articulated and all this before the pneumatic tyre came to tractors.
There was greater impetus after WWII and into the 1950's for 4WD and people took the front axle from the Jeep and put it under the Ferguson tractors of the era. An early example of the now common small unequal 4WD that many of you have. That post-war period was great for experimentation and innovation in design. Some even made a half-track version of the Ferguson putting a track around the rear pneumatic tyres and putting a non-steering axle with pneumatic tyres as the track front idler between the rear axle and the steerable front axle. An unequal track geometry a bit like the present JD track range. This setup was used in Antarctica, I presume by Australia and the UK. Other adventurous types (Roadless of England) fitted a quad track setup to a Landrover 4WD with the front pair steered. From the side the tracks look just like the Case Quadtrac.
If you really need stability for very steep terrain and go-anywhere ability there is nothing like a tracked machine, 3pl and a front end loader or a backhoe and fel you would be as near unstoppable as you could get even in snow or mud, not that we get much snow here. Last snowfall was in July 1957 about an inch and was gone a couple of hours later.
That reminds me of the adventures of a tractor club here in Australia. Traversing hundreds of miles of sand dunes with2WD tractors was made easy by connecting a line of tractors with rigid links , kind of a wriggly caterpillar (the insect stage not the tracked sort) such that there was push and pull available if one or a few lost traction. Cumbersome but interesting.
Not many new 2WD tractors sold now unless you take in lawn tractors, so the trend is to 4WD , but there is still a place for all those 2WD out there already
 

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