3-Point Hitch 3-Point Backhoes

Gary_Sharbonno · Feb 17, 2005

KENB,
I just purchased a Mahindra 3375 sub frame bh ( made by Bradco ) for my 2810.
Let me tell you right now that this system is the ONLY way to go. I already had a ML108 fel on the machine. When I had the 3375 bh installed they removed the fel brackets and installed even larger frame brackets for the bh. This sub frame unit goes on and off with no trouble. I made a rolling rack for the bh when it is not on the tractor. I can roll the unit around the shop. This makes it twice as easy to install because I can rool the bh right where it needs to be for hookup. I am also running a pto pump. When you get the bh within 1 foot of the tractor just slip the pump on put the out riggers down lift and slide into place.
When I grab onto a stump that is well attached in the ground I can actually pull the tractor off of the ground. I have a thumb which is great for gathering logs and trash.
I garantee you a 3 pt would not perform like this sub frame.
Good luck on decision.
Gary

YanmarFever · Feb 17, 2005

We sell Yanmars tractors in Oregon, so far I have supplied 4 bell housings to customers because of 3 point backhoes.
The last one was to Daves tractor in California. His customer with an F18 yanmar & a backhoe you know the rest... /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
(Dave fixed his tractor. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
A frame mount is the only way to go. Im saving mad $$ for a backhoe for our new 4110.
Ernie

Varmintmist · Feb 17, 2005

Is there any reason that you cant get the 3 pt and have a welder make a subframe??

At 2K for the hoe even if you end up with a grand in welder work and a couple hundred in a PTO pump (if needed) you are still ahead.

Can you buy JUST a subframe from a dealer?? If so that and a good welder could make you a setup pretty quick.

Willman · Feb 18, 2005

Ken, I Purchased the Bradco 509 with my tractor purchase. It was around $7500 added to the tractor price.
I never had any experiance with a 3 point BH, but the way the Bradco subframe is made you can put the fears of breaking your tractor in half out of your mind.
Also Mahindra wil not warrant the tractor with any other BH setup.
It is a very beefy setup and Im happy with it.

AndyMA · Feb 18, 2005

( Is there any reason that you cant get the 3 pt and have a welder make a subframe??
)

A good fabricator can make anything so obviously it can be made. The real question is do you save money? To that I don't know the answer.

I think the other posters have made a good point about subframe vrs 3pt. even though I now run 3 pt on the TN (which is a real pain to mount and much more work than a subframe) It's all the rigid framing which LarryRB referrs to. The TN weighs about 9000 lbs loaded and the backhoe can bounce the heck out of it. I'm just glad that it bounces as a rigid unit. Even though as an engineer, I could calculate the forces, I rather not think about, let alone calculate them/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif That 11 foot arm with another 24" bucket adding another 2 feet to the lever makes for one heck of a lever. Combine that with the 6000 lb plus bucket curl force and you have a very powerful twisting moment arm.

Andy

Andy

BTW to me $10,000 on a backhoe is money well spent even if I only use it 50 hours a year. I need it virtually every day I am on my tractor and renting would never be an option unless I was just doing one project like a trench. I almost don't do a task where I don't use the backhoe to loosen soil, move rocks around, pull a root etc.

Andy

Latheman · Feb 18, 2005

I hear Woods now is offering loaders and backhoes for nearly all models of Mahindra. Their price for a subframe and backhoe for a 4110 should be less than what Mahindra is asking. I suggest to give them a look.

John

jerhutch · Mar 2, 2005

I have a Yanmar 330D and want to have a subframe built. Anyone have any pictures, drawings, ideas, instructions, etc to take to the welding shop?
Any help would be appreciated.
Jerry

KENB · Mar 2, 2005

What I find interesting is that MahindraUSA in Tomball, TX claims that if you put a 3 point backhoe on their tractor, and the tractor breaks in half, they will not honor the warranty on the tractor.
Now let me get this straight in my mind: My Mahindra dealer sells Mahindra tractors. My Mahindra dealer sells 3 point backhoes to mount on my Mahindra tractor. But it is an item that will void your warranty. Hmm.. Something not right here. I asked Mahindra about all this regarding the void of warranty. They said it only applied to BACKHOES. I asked where this "exclusion" was stated in the warranty. They said "we'll get back with you." I asked, why are there Mahindra dealers selling 3 point backhoes to be mounted on Mahindra tractors? They said "We'll get back with you on that too". Well, it has been a few weeks now, and I haven't heard a word from them. If 3 point backhoes void your warranty, somebody at MahindraUSA should inform the dealers!
I am glad to hear WOODS is selling backhoes with Mahindra subframes. Maybe prices for these will be reasonable.

YanmarFever · Mar 3, 2005

Are you sure that mahindra didnt mean (other brand ) of backhoes, and not their own ?? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
I can see them (not honoring) someone elses backhoe mistakes.

Mahindra backhoes have a sub frame where the others dont.
Its like putting a chip in your truck it voids the warranty.

I have a hard time with this too.
please keep us informed

DavesTractor · Mar 3, 2005

( We sell Yanmars tractors in Oregon, so far I have supplied 4 bell housings to customers because of 3 point backhoes.
The last one was to Daves tractor in California. His customer with an F18 yanmar & a backhoe you know the rest...
(Dave fixed his tractor.
)
Ernie, you are right about that, and we didn't even sell the guy the hoe. We sold over 60 backhoes last year, not one of them a three-point. Each one was a sub-frame. The guy that split his F18D wanted a 3-point hoe when he bought the tractor. I wouldn't sell it to him and explained why. He ignored my advice and bought a bargain three-point hoe elsewhere and installed it himself, then called me a few weeks later and said "Dave, you can say 'I told you so', or whatever, but my tractor snapped in half through the bellhousing after I mounted a three-point hoe, can you fix it?" Of course we did, with Ernie's help on parts, but the guy got an expensive lessen driven home.

I know of a couple of Branson and Mahindra dealers that don't like the expense of stocking subframes and the different backhoes, so they buy generic three-point backhoes. Instead, I sometimes will have 20 backhoes/subframes and 40 buckets in stock to try to make sure I can properly mount a Branson (Ameriquip) or Mahindra (KMW for the 15 series and Bradco for the others) tractor. It is much easier and cheaper to have a couple of skids of three-point hoes and push these inferior products, or at least inferior mounting, off on customers. Dealers that sell these would seem to put themselves into the position of taking care of any related damage not covered by Mahindra or Branson if warranty claims are denied due to damage caused as a result of a 3-point mounted hoe.

Just a side note, you are getting a lot more than just a subframe with the 509 or 511 hoe. This is an incredible machine, really in a class by itself when compared to other CUT hoes.